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PFF: grading WR by ability to separate, YAC and catching the ball

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mav1234 Grand Master

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15 minutes ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

XL looks good except for being able to catch, which of course is the WR’s #1 Job. He doesn’t look lost like AD Mitchell or odunze

Earlier in the season I felt like he made some great catches but missed some easy ones. As time went on, he seemed to have more and more trouble, which I think corresponds to injuries and perhaps exhaustion. Not saying he's gonna be great, just that I want to see another year of him. 

I do think we have a Serious problem with WR talent eval and development tho. We miss on virtually every WR somehow.

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5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

It is highly unlikely he ever becomes top 7 in this class, TBH. It's a strong class and he is not a strong player. 

He is also near last in that group in drops and catch %. 

Again, it isn't just stats, he struggles with aspects of his game that a lot of these guys don't.

You've simply always been a hater. Give the kid some slack. You're basing all of your opinions on an imperfect rookie year based on really nothing but your opinion. "Oh, he'll never be top seven..." I've seen something like, "I just don't think people here realize how bad he's been..." Come on, man, it's his rookie year. 

 

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10 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Yeah that’s all available data lmao like what the fug else is he supposed to look at 

Do serious and credible analysts base their opinions on a player's rookie year, much less a player at a so-called skill position? 

To each his own. Keep that same energy as X improves.

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3 hours ago, TD alt said:

Do serious and credible analysts base their opinions on a player's rookie year, much less a player at a so-called skill position? 

To each his own. Keep that same energy as X improves.

We judge a player based off their play. If all they have as far as history is their rookie year, that's all we have to go of of. BUT we all include the fact that he's a rookie in our minds and analysis. We hope he gets better. Im not standing on the side of he is a bust and i don't think anyone is. As he improves so will the general opinion of said player.

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11 hours ago, Silent Majority said:

Crapping on X, while babying a #1 overall is embarrassing, but peak huddle

Yeah, the Panthers are the #30 O and the #30 pass O.  Basically any rookie WR is going to have built in lower production as a product of being here.   While Bryce is improving this pass attack is still very weak and non-threatening (which a lot of that is the QB and playcalling).  

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2 hours ago, MechaZain said:

Legette is a jump ball specialist he was never going to be a seperation or YAC guy. Route running was actually one his knocks against him coming in. 

Which is ironic because it's mainly his hands and jumping at the catch point, sometimes unnecessarily, that's letting him down a little bit. He's not great at route running, but the graph really shows that he's middle of the pack. He's actually running better routes than people thought that he could. It is my thought that the coaches need to put him into better positions to succeed, he and Bryce need to focus on developing better chemistry, and Legette needs to get on the JUGS machine religiously.

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19 minutes ago, Icege said:

XL getting higher than avg separation with an HC+OC that have backgrounds with WRs gives me so much hope for his development. 😄

We always hear about Canales being a QB whisperer. But I thought he and Idzik were both WR guys. If they can't help you improve, then there really isn't any hope. I think he'll be fine. But Ladd should have been the pick.

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3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

We always hear about Canales being a QB whisperer. But I thought he and Idzik were both WR guys. If they can't help you improve, then there really isn't any hope. I think he'll be fine. But Ladd should have been the pick.

I can understand taking XL over Ladd given the roster makeup.

Ladd would be competing with AT, the only established WR on the roster. The team also needed speed to keep opposing safeties honest while having a big body guy (ie: DK, Evans) to go win 50/50 balls.

So it was a choice between taking a slot guy and moving on from AT, or keeping AT and grabbing somebody that could develop into an X. They thought XL was that guy.

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16 hours ago, TD alt said:

You've simply always been a hater. Give the kid some slack. You're basing all of your opinions on an imperfect rookie year based on really nothing but your opinion. "Oh, he'll never be top seven..." I've seen something like, "I just don't think people here realize how bad he's been..." Come on, man, it's his rookie year. 

 

Yeah, this is the same thing TMJ and Mingo guys said. Used to this non-fact based argument. 

YoU jUsT hAtE hIm!!!! 

Well as someone who actually WANTS the team to do well, how exactly does that help me?

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