Your feelings when you see this photo

[Jon Snow]

Just now, 45catfan said:

A couple?  Young's future with the Panthers will be decided next offseason.  He's either going to get the 5th year option which signals strongly a second contract or they will be looking for serious competition or an outright replacement.

Did Dan and Dave tell you that?

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Did Dan and Dave tell you that?

Generally high draft picks have that option picked up going into year 4 if the team is serious about locking them up, if not outright offer them the second contract. That's not something that lingers into that 4th season.  It usually tips the hand of where the team stands with that player long term.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Generally high draft picks have that option picked up going into year 4 if the team is serious about locking them up, if not outright offer them the second contract. That's not something that lingers into that 4th season.  It usually tips the hand of where the team stands with that player long term.

I know all of that. But until it happens why worry about it? 

[kass]

19 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Y'all have completely moved the goalposts and lost sight of the point entirely. I did not bring up Allen nor did I say anything about that other than to respond to the ludicrous comment that was made.

My point was simply that franchise QBs find ways to win certain types of games, games where (as one example) poor defense needs to be overcome. That's not happening yet in Carolina and that is a big metric for being a 'franchise QB'. It really is that simple and all that was said. 

My original comment for reference, in its entirety:

"We aren't winning because of him either. Gotta have that from a true franchise QB. Not every single game of course, but more often that not."

Cherry picking and now moving the goal post. .

[OldhamA]

13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

A couple?  Young's future with the Panthers will be decided next offseason.  He's either going to get the 5th year option which signals strongly a second contract or they will be looking for serious competition or an outright replacement.

They're fuging bonkers if they take up his 5th year option.

[grateflday]

12 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

Insert crying Jordan meme

This reminds me of how horrible an era and bad NFL coach Matt Rhule was. 

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

For the third time now, not every game will be a win. That is not the expectation. But in your cherry-picked example, let me know when Bryce has a day where he posts 400 total yards/4 TDs and 90% of the production as the sole driver of the offense, as Allen did, en route to that type of loss and my opinion will be different about said cherry-picked single game.

I didn't give a single cherry picked example, I gave you a three game sample against playoff teams in which he did in fact, do enough to win.

I'm not crowning him the franchise savior but I am saying he is improving and doing enough on a personal level to win. He can't catch the ball in the endzone for his WRs. He can't overcome bad inept calls by the refs taking points off the board. He can't be the running back that needs to hold onto the ball in OT. He can't be the defense giving up game winning drives in multiple games after securing a lead with less than two minutes to go.

He does need to be more consistent and he needs to put more complete games together rather than some late game heroics, there are too many 3 and outs throughout the season for my liking. Hopefully that improves with more experience from both Bryce and Canales, but he isn't padding his stats in garbage time like Caleb Williams. He's played well. Not great, but well. C+/B- levels of QB play, which is a huge jump up from his F grade last year. He is attempting throws that Bridgewater never did, look at the passing charts from the games since he's come back compared to Teddy. Teddy was allergic to throwing past 10 yards down the field, but would uncork one bomb per game. Bryce is feasting in the intermediate levels of the field (10-20) with rainbows that keep falling into our receivers hands. I'm here for it. The hope is that the trend continues and the team puts more and more complete games together next year.

But let's be honest, The defense is the biggest issue with the team going into next season. That needs to be addressed far more than finding Bryce's replacement. QB Class next draft is looking solid, if he shits the bed next year, I'm all for drafting the new guy.

[BullCityP]

12 hours ago, KSpan said:

We aren't winning because of him either. Gotta have that from a true franchise QB. Not every single game of course, but more often that not.

Yea because he can't play defense after he drives us down the field to take the lead. And he can't catch a easy TD against Philly. And he can't make Chubba hold on to the ball after he gets us in position to kick the game winning field goal. Lolol yea we aren't winning because of Bryce because he CAN'T DO EVERYTHING for the team smh

[45catfan]

28 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I know all of that. But until it happens why worry about it? 

Not worrying, just not looking beyond one year at a time.  That's half of our problem, just plodding along year to year it seems like without a long term plan mapped out.  With that in mind, 2025 is a cross roads for Young, at least for me. 

[BullCityP]

This forum is weird. Ya'll complain that Bryce has to be in the "perfect situation" to be successful, and then turn around amd praise 2 dudes who were literally put in the "perfect situation" to succeed lol 

[OldhamA]

13 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

Insert crying Jordan meme

I don't feel anything anymore. 

After 70+ losses in 6 seasons they've beaten my love of the team out of me. 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

13 hours ago, Dilla said:

Absolutely nothing.

Same here. I honestly don’t give a poo about these guys because they would just suck here

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

46 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Yea because he can't play defense after he drives us down the field to take the lead. And he can't catch an easy TD against Philly. And he can't make Chubba hold on to the ball after he gets us in position to kick the game winning field goal. Lolol yea we aren't winning because of Bryce because he CAN'T DO EVERYTHING for the team smh

Preach! People act like Brady didn’t have Bruschi, Wilfork, McGinest. Like Mahomes doesn’t have Jones, Justin Reid, and others on defense. Not to mention the stacked-ass defenses of them Steelers, 49ers and Cowboys dynasties. 

This ain’t boxing or even basketball. This is a true team sport and one guy is not going to win you a championship.

[KSpan]

3 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Preach! People act like Brady didn’t have Bruschi, Wilfork, McGinest. Like Mahomes doesn’t have Jones, Justin Reid, and others on defense. Not to mention the stacked-ass defenses of them Steelers, 49ers and Cowboys dynasties. 

This ain’t boxing or even basketball. This is a true team sport and one guy is not going to win you a championship.

There are games where the defense falters and the offense steps up and, on those teams you mention, vice versa. It goes all ways and that is what needs to be shown with greater consistency before the 'franchise' label applies. No game comes down to a single drive or single play, and those hames that were lost this year had other plays/opportunities to win that the offense didn't come through on. That's really all I'm saying. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by KSpan