Bryce stats since being benched

[Jackofalltrades]

I think he's done enough to prove that he isn't the problem. He's been one of the few bright spots over the last several weeks. Pass protection is still an issue though I think that has more to do with scheme than anything. By that I mean there's no real credible deep threat to keep the safeties honest. Also, with a defense that can't stop anyone opposing DC's can pin their ears back and send everything they have at Bryce. 

Is Bryce the answer and worth what we gave up to get him? I don't know, I hope so. However the blame for the team's woes is no longer on his shoulders.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

I agree--He is still approaching average, and average is what half the teams in the NFL are or strive to be.  However, average stats on a bad team are better than average stats on a good team. 

Most of this year, Bryce has had a strong running game--he lost TMJ, Mingo, Johnson, and for many games, AT (regardless of how good you think these players were, they required time and reps to develop chemistry).  While improving his numbers, he lost his starting C and his WRs were basically Coker, XL, and Moore.  His TE, another rookie and Tremble, were his weapons.

Under those circumstances, other good QBs have failed.  Rodgers in NY has better weapons and a better defense.  Darnold has weapon and an OL now, and he is doing well, but he failed here.  Baker?  Ditto. 

Bryce has an OL--and this is a result of that--before his benching, he was gun shy and traumatized--he got to see the protection etc. he is now in full recovery.  Will his improvement continue if we upgrade our D, WR room, and maybe a TE?  Yes.  How much?  That is the question we will be answering in 2025.

someone made an analogy on social media about Aaron Rodgers I loved.  Jets getting Aaron Rodgers is the equivalent of hooking up with your high school crush....only you hook up with the divorced, unemployed, 40 year old, 4 kids later version of her. 

Aaron Rodgers is not Aaron Rodgers. Zach Wilson would be outperforming him this year in NY.  He is so unlikable, it's enjoyable to watch.   

I don't know if there is really an NFL comparable of where I think Bryce Young's ceiling will is.  It's somewhere around Teddy Bridgewater.   But with better legs and more slippery.   I mean, that's not an insult to Bryce.  It will be taken as that by many.  Teddy B was a legit starting QB.  He just isn't what most of us dream of. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

someone made an analogy on social media about Aaron Rodgers I loved.  Jets getting Aaron Rodgers is the equivalent of hooking up with your high school crush....only you hook up with the divorced, unemployed, 40 year old, 4 kids later version of her. 

Aaron Rodgers is not Aaron Rodgers. Zach Wilson would be outperforming him this year in NY.  He is so unlikable, it's enjoyable to watch.   

I don't know if there is really an NFL comparable of where I think Bryce Young's ceiling will is.  It's somewhere around Teddy Bridgewater.   But with better legs and more slippery.   I mean, that's not an insult to Bryce.  It will be taken as that by many.  Teddy B was a legit starting QB.  He just isn't what most of us dream of. 

Hilarious.  I think Bryce will be a game manager.  he is already showing us that he is only as good as his supporting cast.  Bryce is likeable, tough, and as you say, "Slippery." Give him weapons and he will be the point guard at best.

 

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, Huffgolf30 said:

Thoughts?

Average Throwing Yards: 206yds

Average Running Yards: 22yds

TDs: 10 throwing / 3 running

INTS: 6

QB Rating Avg: 85.3

QBR Average: 53.5

 

That's about 7 wins over the course of a season.  Maybe.  

Edited December 30, 2024 by mrcompletely11

[CRA]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Hilarious.  I think Bryce will be a game manager.  he is already showing us that he is only as good as his supporting cast.  Bryce is likeable, tough, and as you say, "Slippery." Give him weapons and he will be the point guard at best.

 

I'm just not convinced this team has ever had the right vision for Bryce.   All that stuff matters.  NFL isn't just a raw talent league.  Where you land matters.  The O matters.  The scheme matters. 

I think Bryce has done well improving.....given I still think he is a square peg largely in our round hole.  

If starting from scratch, the Frank nor Canales O is what I would have dreamed up for Bryce to be in.  Nor would I dream up AT, XL, Hubbard as the key investment for his O.  It's not about not liking anyone.  I just don't see the big picture in it all.  People think I hate AT now.  I don't.   I just value quick/YAC guys at the slot and in the backfield if I am rolling w/ Bryce Young.  I've said that since the day we drafted him.  Just what I believe you got to offer him.    And I don't think Canales' scheme is creative enough to scheme guys open and for the YAC types to thrive.  

I dislike the big picture marriages under Tepper.  Not so much anyone in particular. 

[Icege]

 

 

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, Icege said:

 

 

that big time throw definition....I think  makes it sort of a misleading stat. 

[jb2288]

 

2 hours ago, Huffgolf30 said:

Thoughts?

Average Throwing Yards: 206yds

Average Running Yards: 22yds

TDs: 10 throwing / 3 running

INTS: 6

QB Rating Avg: 85.3

QBR Average: 53.5

 

I got 12 pass TD/ 3 rush TD and 6 INT. So almost 3/1 there, but I imagine there are some lost fumbles in there I don't have numbers on and if you give him rushing TD gotta give fumbles too so prob around 2/1

[frankw]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

that big time throw definition....I think  makes it sort of a misleading stat. 

I have to be honest the constant use of it while ignoring other data makes it seem less significant the more I see it.

I mean at the end of the day someone can hang a banner on whatever definition of a big time throw is and Bryce doing well in that but the full reality is it took Byrce about 23 games to Kyle Allen's 13 just to surpass his 3300 passing yards from 2019. And Kyle Allen sucks.

[MHS831]

48 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm just not convinced this team has ever had the right vision for Bryce.   All that stuff matters.  NFL isn't just a raw talent league.  Where you land matters.  The O matters.  The scheme matters. 

I think Bryce has done well improving.....given I still think he is a square peg largely in our round hole.  

If starting from scratch, the Frank nor Canales O is what I would have dreamed up for Bryce to be in.  Nor would I dream up AT, XL, Hubbard as the key investment for his O.  It's not about not liking anyone.  I just don't see the big picture in it all.  People think I hate AT now.  I don't.   I just value quick/YAC guys at the slot and in the backfield if I am rolling w/ Bryce Young.  I've said that since the day we drafted him.  Just what I believe you got to offer him.    And I don't think Canales' scheme is creative enough to scheme guys open and for the YAC types to thrive.  

I dislike the big picture marriages under Tepper.  Not so much anyone in particular. 

Great points--and yes, if you suggest anything out of balance, you have to hate the people involved.  Most folks are all in or all out; black or white--do not get the concept of gray area and that is where this stuff is found.  I still go after a WR or two and a QB.

While QB is not great at the top of the draft, the middle rounds should be a great place to pick a QB who can be a solid backup and potential starter in time.  So if I say, "We should draft Rourke or Ewers in the third round" I get "he sucks. Not an NFL starter!"  Nope.  Neither was Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner,  Russell Wilson, Brady, Cousins, etc.

I think Milroe in round 2 will be tempting for teams looking to develop a QB because he is a dual threat.

Ewers kept a manning on the bench and Texas became relevant under him.  Injured a lot, but conditioning and more awareness of injury prevention is critical.  Rourke has a lightning quick release and Indiana had their greatest season in decades under him.  Howard (Ohio State) may step up in the playoffs.  I see Carson Beck as a qb with the tools, but he lost his mojo, it seems.  Worth a third rounder and if he never becomes more than a backup, that is good value. Klubnik (Clemson) could be a solid pick in the fourth round or so--he has the potential.  I think these qbs are in an excellent position to develop slowly and learn from NFL coaches, while Sanders and Ward will have to sink or swim.

 

[Icege]

54 minutes ago, CRA said:

that big time throw definition....I think  makes it sort of a misleading stat. 

fwiw Bryce is 7th overall in BTT if you expand scope to the entire season

[NAS]

Bryce Young in 9 game since his benching

2,050 Yards
15 TDs
6 INT
80.9 Passing Grade (7th)
24 Big Time Throws (tied for 1st)
7.9% Big Time Throw rate (1st)

[Aussie Tank]

This chicken or the egg argument is gonna go on forever ever unless we get some talent in the reciever room IMO.

Thielen is the only WR that can do anything and he's a mid 30 year old possession guy. It's a win win adding talent at pass catcher because either Bryce will flourish or we have an actual offense to drop the next QB in too 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Aussie Tank

[Aussie Tank]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Great points--and yes, if you suggest anything out of balance, you have to hate the people involved.  Most folks are all in or all out; black or white--do not get the concept of gray area and that is where this stuff is found.  I still go after a WR or two and a QB.

While QB is not great at the top of the draft, the middle rounds should be a great place to pick a QB who can be a solid backup and potential starter in time.  So if I say, "We should draft Rourke or Ewers in the third round" I get "he sucks. Not an NFL starter!"  Nope.  Neither was Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner,  Russell Wilson, Brady, Cousins, etc.

I think Milroe in round 2 will be tempting for teams looking to develop a QB because he is a dual threat.

Ewers kept a manning on the bench and Texas became relevant under him.  Injured a lot, but conditioning and more awareness of injury prevention is critical.  Rourke has a lightning quick release and Indiana had their greatest season in decades under him.  Howard (Ohio State) may step up in the playoffs.  I see Carson Beck as a qb with the tools, but he lost his mojo, it seems.  Worth a third rounder and if he never becomes more than a backup, that is good value. Klubnik (Clemson) could be a solid pick in the fourth round or so--he has the potential.  I think these qbs are in an excellent position to develop slowly and learn from NFL coaches, while Sanders and Ward will have to sink or swim.

 

I'd like to add Dart in the mid to late rounds. I thought I read somewhere that he had the most NFL type playbook or something