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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I doubt a 3rd would do it and he is going to want a new deal.   Its enticing for sure but I truly think bryce needs a speed route guy (kindof like Ladd funny enough) to help him up his game

Going off what Canales was saying last year this team needs someone defenses need to double cover or roll coverage towards. 

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On 1/22/2025 at 7:09 AM, CarolinaLivin said:

Yeah we're hoping for a lot to go our way in the draft as far as runs on certain positions after we select and how the board falls prior to our 1st selection. I think it will be really hard if we take TMAC, but i don't see a realistic way of getting a WR1 other than drafting TMAC. Its rough. But this is the situation we find ourselves in after years of bad drafting, bad trades, and poor cap management. IF we take TMAC we gotta hope and pray a run on DL doesn't happen tail end of first/beginning of 2nd. Tough situation, but im excited to see how we address this off-season.

I like the Edge and DT/DE depth in the draft--I think it could hold out until early 3rd--I also like the S depth, and I think we can find one later than early 3rd.  If we could walk away with 4 contributors, that would be great---

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22 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Liam Coen to the Jaguars as HC.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/liam-coen-informs-buccaneers-hes-talking-jaguars-head-coaching-job

This situation is super interesting. If you haven’t been keeping up with it, two days ago Liam told the Bucs that he was out of the running for the Jags job. They were prepared to offer him a new contract to make him one of the highest-paid OCs. However, instead of signing that contract, he secretly went to Jacksonville to meet with the Jaguars’ owner. He convinced them to fire their GM, promising that he would hire a new GM and get paid Ben Johnson-level money.

 

the Bucs are pissed…

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57 minutes ago, countryboi said:

This situation is super interesting. If you haven’t been keeping up with it, two days ago Liam told the Bucs that he was out of the running for the Jags job. They were prepared to offer him a new contract to make him one of the highest-paid OCs. However, instead of signing that contract, he secretly went to Jacksonville to meet with the Jaguars’ owner. He convinced them to fire their GM, promising that he would hire a new GM and get paid Ben Johnson-level money.

 

the Bucs are pissed…

It’s up there with Josh McDaniels accepting the Colts job, then starting the process to build his staff (I think the Colts actually hired his DC), only to do a u-turn and stay at the Patriots.

People can change their minds. We’ve probably all done it. Said one thing, then had time to think and changed our minds. However, there’s a right way and a wrong way to do things, and if this report is true, then Coen picked the wrong way.

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42 minutes ago, Mike2.0 said:

It’s up there with Josh McDaniels accepting the Colts job, then starting the process to build his staff (I think the Colts actually hired his DC), only to do a u-turn and stay at the Patriots.

People can change their minds. We’ve probably all done it. Said one thing, then had time to think and changed our minds. However, there’s a right way and a wrong way to do things, and if this report is true, then Coen picked the wrong way.

It was a jerk move by Coen to not let the Bucs know he was re-considering the Jags, but this is nothing like the McDaniels one.

This is an OC telling a team he was going to stay as an OC and then change his mind and take a HC job.  McDaniels was a team announcing him as their HC and then him changing his mind to stay as an OC.

The only bad part is that he ghosted the Bucs, but it's nothing like taking a job as a HC and then changing your mind, that really screws that team over much more and is a way worse PR look.

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    • PNW_PantherMan
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