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anyone who has watched the progress that Bryce has made this season and not be excited is just afraid to hope. at the start of this season most everyone said this season would be considered a success if we could win 4 or 5 games (checked) and see progress from Bryce (checked) and the team as a whole (checked). This was a fantastic season. I believe in our GM, our coach and much to my surprise our QB. 

WE have a long way to go but I can see the path finally. Bryce may be a game manager, and he is but I think he's also a winner. He has that "it" factor. He's shown it already. It was just his second season and first with Canales who seems to have the "it" factor too. Are they there now? No. Have they shown me that they can be? Hell yes. 

The offense looks good. Now, I totally expect them to improve the defense. Does that make us a good team? not yet but I can see it coming. The long lost and talked about culture finally showed itself this season. I think these Panthers are on their way to becoming a good team. Best season in 10 years. 

To beat Atlanta at home and to eliminate their playoff hopes at the same time is something we haven't seen in a very long time. Anyone who can't appreciate that is just looking for  a reason to be sad

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54 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Top left quadrant is not where you want your QB. This means they're not seeing the open receivers and throwing blindly to a point that is double or triple covered. Threading the needle is not what you want a QB to do regularly at this level. It's high risk and low reward as it will hurt a receivers YAC and increase the chance of interceptions/tip drills. This was Mac Jones territory last year. You won't see Mahomes, Jackson, and Goff in that quadrant.

You’re joking right? BOTTOM left is not where you want your QB. Throwing into tight windows inaccurately. 
 

Top left means you are literally throwing guys open. Which is what you want a great QB to be able to do. Your comment is insane. 

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17 minutes ago, Panthers Rhule said:

anyone who has watched the progress that Bryce has made this season and not be excited is just afraid to hope. at the start of this season most everyone said this season would be considered a success if we could win 4 or 5 games (checked) and see progress from Bryce (checked) and the team as a whole (checked). This was a fantastic season. I believe in our GM, our coach and much to my surprise our QB. 

WE have a long way to go but I can see the path finally. Bryce may be a game manager, and he is but I think he's also a winner. He has that "it" factor. He's shown it already. It was just his second season and first with Canales who seems to have the "it" factor too. Are they there now? No. Have they shown me that they can be? Hell yes. 

The offense looks good. Now, I totally expect them to improve the defense. Does that make us a good team? not yet but I can see it coming. The long lost and talked about culture finally showed itself this season. I think these Panthers are on their way to becoming a good team. Best season in 10 years. 

To beat Atlanta at home and to eliminate their playoff hopes at the same time is something we haven't seen in a very long time. Anyone who can't appreciate that is just looking for  a reason to be sad

Best at throwing into tight windows and throwing open receivers = game manager? Game managers check the ball down 

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5 hours ago, fanpanther said:

I am confused is this telling me mahomes and jackson are bad?

Exactly. 

In other words... don't read to much into charts and graphs. The people that do are the same ones that tell you that stats don't tell the whole story and watch the games with your eyes. 

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7 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Top left quadrant is not where you want your QB. This means they're not seeing the open receivers and throwing blindly to a point that is double or triple covered. Threading the needle is not what you want a QB to do regularly at this level. It's high risk and low reward as it will hurt a receivers YAC and increase the chance of interceptions/tip drills. This was Mac Jones territory last year. You won't see Mahomes, Jackson, and Goff in that quadrant.

No, let’s clarify. It means Bryce is having to throw into tight windows but he’s doing it in a way where only his receivers could make the play on the ball. 

I would rather see wide open receivers like Goff but this shows how good Bryce is of making the best of what he has, throwing guys open.  So in that sense he stands out as a really efficient QB. 

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39 minutes ago, NAS said:

No, let’s clarify. It means Bryce is having to throw into tight windows but he’s doing it in a way where only his receivers could make the play on the ball.

Agree 100%. Tight window throws is more of a wide receiver stat in my mind. The panthers separation stats aren’t great so the high % of tight window throws makes sense.  It’s great to see the accuracy but ideally you want to limit those types of throws by throwing to open receivers. 

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10 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Top left quadrant is not where you want your QB. This means they're not seeing the open receivers and throwing blindly to a point that is double or triple covered. Threading the needle is not what you want a QB to do regularly at this level. It's high risk and low reward as it will hurt a receivers YAC and increase the chance of interceptions/tip drills. This was Mac Jones territory last year. You won't see Mahomes, Jackson, and Goff in that quadrant.

You are reading this wrong to make it say what you want it to say.  You are saying because the qb threw in to a tight window then that means they made the wrong read or there was a wide open receiver somewhere and that isn't in the data at all.  That's you making a blank and filling it with your opinion.  Our receivers are below average at separation.  There is a good chance a tight window could still be the best or only possible throw to make.

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9 hours ago, Panthers Rhule said:

anyone who has watched the progress that Bryce has made this season and not be excited is just afraid to hope. at the start of this season most everyone said this season would be considered a success if we could win 4 or 5 games (checked) and see progress from Bryce (checked) and the team as a whole (checked). This was a fantastic season. I believe in our GM, our coach and much to my surprise our QB. 

WE have a long way to go but I can see the path finally. Bryce may be a game manager, and he is but I think he's also a winner. He has that "it" factor. He's shown it already. It was just his second season and first with Canales who seems to have the "it" factor too. Are they there now? No. Have they shown me that they can be? Hell yes. 

The offense looks good. Now, I totally expect them to improve the defense. Does that make us a good team? not yet but I can see it coming. The long lost and talked about culture finally showed itself this season. I think these Panthers are on their way to becoming a good team. Best season in 10 years. 

To beat Atlanta at home and to eliminate their playoff hopes at the same time is something we haven't seen in a very long time. Anyone who can't appreciate that is just looking for  a reason to be sad

I agree with everything but the game manager part.  The opposing team ran against us constantly which offered less possessions and plays, which has an impact on putting up gaudy stats.  If you look at it though Young had some of the most "big time throws" of all qbs last year.  That's not a game manager stat.  I think if you're not a running qb and you can't throw 75 yards then some fans are going to put you down as a game manager.

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7 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Exactly. 

In other words... don't read to much into charts and graphs. The people that do are the same ones that tell you that stats don't tell the whole story and watch the games with your eyes. 

No it's not saying Mahomes and Lamar suck, it does means they're throwing into tight windows less frequently which may be a reflection of their scheme or receivers

 

4 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

You are reading this wrong to make it say what you want it to say.  You are saying because the qb threw in to a tight window then that means they made the wrong read or there was a wide open receiver somewhere and that isn't in the data at all.  That's you making a blank and filling it with your opinion.  Our receivers are below average at separation.  There is a good chance a tight window could still be the best or only possible throw to make.

Exactly, I think this is the big difference with Bryce from last year and first two weeks. He was too hesitant to pull the trigger and not trusting himself to throw into tight windows.  Now he's just letting it rip and doing a great job. 

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10 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Top left quadrant is not where you want your QB. This means they're not seeing the open receivers and throwing blindly to a point that is double or triple covered. Threading the needle is not what you want a QB to do regularly at this level. It's high risk and low reward as it will hurt a receivers YAC and increase the chance of interceptions/tip drills. This was Mac Jones territory last year. You won't see Mahomes, Jackson, and Goff in that quadrant.

Josh Allen and Joe Burrow are in the same quadrant as Bryce on the chart. 
 

Nice try. 

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8 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

I'd check this thread as well. It's looking like our investment in the O-line certainly helped but a lot of the metrics are saying it's more a mid unit than an elite one.

https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1876626581441163445?t=r9gSdtTkw_Puf3WHqPKkBQ&s=19

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That middle image is interesting, I expected more turnover worthy throws from Bryce because he's one of the lowest starting QBs in terms of his percent of supposedly "bad throws."... But I think he tends to miss to open areas of the field where he's expecting receivers to be vs where they are.  Hopefully that'll improve with time too

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2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

That middle image is interesting, I expected more turnover worthy throws from Bryce because he's one of the lowest starting QBs in terms of his percent of supposedly "bad throws."... But I think he tends to miss to open areas of the field where he's expecting receivers to be vs where they are.  Hopefully that'll improve with time too

Bryce has always tried to protect the ball and avoid turnovers. He will throw it away before he will force it. Look at his TD to INT in college. 

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