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[Joe Person] Jonathon Brooks had a successful 2nd ACL surgery - Expected to miss all of 2025 Season

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32 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Both about drafting RB's in the first two rounds and especially injured ones.

Every year there are 800+ yd rushing rookies in the 3rd round and lower.

We will never agree, and that's OK. I do agree that if you can find a back that is special in the later rounds, then go for it, but that still doesn't mean that you pass up on a back in round 1 or 2 when you need one. If they're injured, it is prudent to skip them, but if they're healthy and have proven to be able to put up 12 and 1300 yards in a season, then you have to give them a look. RBs are not plug-and-play, no matter how you try to say it. JAGs are not going to run you to where you want to go.

 

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Just now, TD alt said:

We will never agree, and that's OK. I do agree that if you can find a back that is special in the later rounds, then go for it, but that still doesn't mean that you pass up on a back in round 1 or 2 when you need one. If they're injured, it is prudent to skip them, but if they're healthy and have proven to be able to put up 12 and 1300 yards in a season, then you have to give them a look. RBs are not plug-and-play, no matter how you try to say it. JAGs are not going to run you where you want to go.

 

 We will definitely never agree. Drafting a RB in the 1st or 2nd has a very, very, VERY bad track record over the past 10+ years.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

 We will definitely never agree. Drafting a RB in the 1st or 2nd has a very, very, VERY bad track record over the past 10+ years.

Does it? 

All I can say is that I've seen plenty of first round backs in the playoffs and the Super Bowl over the last 10 years, including a couple that we drafted.

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Counter to the assumed notion, the value of RBs is actually increasing but was at its lowest dip in its history a few years ago, so its still pretty damn low.   The best of the best could start getting better contracts but that lowest valley was around 2021/2022.  Teams that have infrastructure to comfortably add that high-quality sparkplug can get studs higher.  We are not one of those teams....(will be interesting to see who pops for Jeanty- Bengals? Cowboys?)  

And the problem is Brooks isn't just that bit.  What I found interesting was that most/if not all the higher mid rounders like him (IR), Corum, Benson, & Lloyd didn't quite show up.  Yet you had Bucky Irving, Tyron Tracy, & Ray Davis finding roles without major injuries ahead of them. 

He wasn't in that gamebreaker class.  So, it's not that RBs shouldn't be selected in the 1st/2nd type argument, it's more the expectation of what that type of R2 selection should be adding to your team.  He just didn't make sense for us.  Guys like Frazier or Sainristil did.    

Unless it's generational, that sweet spot is R4-5 IMO for RBs.  Heck, we have the 8th-11ish best rated RB in 2024 on this roster and he was a 2020 4th. 

 

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15 minutes ago, TD alt said:

We will never agree, and that's OK. I do agree that if you can find a back that is special in the later rounds, then go for it, but that still doesn't mean that you pass up on a back in round 1 or 2 when you need one. If they're injured, it is prudent to skip them, but if they're healthy and have proven to be able to put up 12 and 1300 yards in a season, then you have to give them a look. RBs are not plug-and-play, no matter how you try to say it. JAGs are not going to run you to where you want to go.

 

I mean the proof is in the pudding about drafting a qb early vs later.  Its easy to go look up, you probably would be surprised and change your mind

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Does it? 

All I can say is that I've seen plenty of first round backs in the playoffs and the Super Bowl over the last 10 years, including a couple that we drafted.

It does. It is statistically very obvious. Anecdotally it is not obvious.

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This is why we should have went a different direction with our pick, who cares if dumbass Dallas wanted him. 

Tons of guys on the board we could have taken and made an impact instead of a guy who now is going to miss basically 2 seasons at a position that can be filled with a 5th. 

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