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3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I simply answered you initial statement that he didn’t do anything his first 4 years.

when he made 1st team all pro in his first year (which all-pro isn’t some fan boy Gimik) Over guys like Gates etc.

So yes

He did do something his first 4 seasons.

if you can get a 1st team all-pro rookie year with your top 10 pick.  I’d say it was worth it.

And the next 3 years?

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

And the next 3 years?

Still made the pro bowl 2 out of the next 3

Back in the early 2000’s when the probowl meant something and where you didn’t end up on the ninth choice after opt outs.

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28 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Apples and Oranges.

like comparing AB and Calvin Johnson.  Same position, different playing g styles and how their used 

Bowers is 6’3 235ish and used primarily if not just strictly as a pass catcher moved out from the slot

 

Warren is 6’6 260 more physical not finesse.  Who can be used as a blocker, but also moved out as a pass catcher.  
 

those Bowers highlights are good.  But for every big deep pass play you say Warren couldn’t do like that.  I can pull up Warren moving guys out of the way and pancaking guys in the run game while also making big contesting catches in the same game.  Something Bowes isn’t doing.

His size is what made him stand out for sure. He uses it well. I just don't see an AB or CJ, I see a big guy moving little college players...which look like DBs but then again at that level the LBers look small too half the time.

He looks solid. I don't think the size and losing comparable speed is going to look the same as often in the NFL.

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12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Just telling the truth. Doesn't mean he's the pick 

Fo sure.  

Where I'm kind of leaning w/our first:

With this high of a pick, stepping back, big picture, you want a guy that can straight up elevate their side of the ball and change the way the opposition needs to play us. That's the bottom line for me.  It's what we wanted with Bryce of course, Brown, Horn, etc. when drafting this high.  Icky had the question marks in pass blocking but we had a 5+ year running need when we landed him.  

The defenders people are considering can be really nice, sure, potentially all-pro pieces (Walker, Johnson, Pearce, etc.) but are we getting a guy that a defense needs to immediately account for on every snap? Or are you banking on some potential actualizing? Is there any lack of sure-thing with translating to the NFL, or additional refinement needed?  When you're banking on those factors high in the draft, that's where the busts can come from IMO.  I.E. Johnson has press-man coverage questions (Surtain/Horn did not have those concerns), Walker with his size/down-to-down role, and Pearce needing some run-d technical refinement.     

But with Warren, you drop him in, I think the offense entirely changes.  And the way people need to play us entirely changes as well.  And I don't see anything technically that needs more hands-on coaching required.  

It's appealing.  Not entirely there yet, but if a team is sold on him, I'm seeing the why.  

 

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