I kinda hate getting our pick spoiled but at least the Huddle has more Time to debate

[pantherclaw]

I wouldn't be upset with Warren, I just don't see the Panthers brass picking him at 8. 

[MHS831]

I agree in round 1 you take the BPA--here is why--let's say we take a TE or OT--most edges that are the best fits are second rounders.  We can get a decent S in the third, and depth DTs on day 3. 

I personally do not buy into the Jalon Walker is a lock nonsense.  If true, the team has some leaks that Morgan needs to address.  Walter said, "Team sources"  I call them spies and leaks.  Telling people what you think serves no positive purpose. 

I would love Warren, Sanders, and Tremble at TE.  I would love an OT because I know that would give us leverage with Ickey and a backup / replacement for Moton.

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

That's funny... only 1 out of at least half a dozen even had him sniffing the top 10. 

 Enjoy your perspective as skewed as it is. 

I was giving you the benefit of a doubt, but now I know you don't know the difference between a Big Board and a mock.

[carpanfan96]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I agree in round 1 you take the BPA--here is why--let's say we take a TE or OT--most edges that are the best fits are second rounders.  We can get a decent S in the third, and depth DTs on day 3. 

I personally do not buy into the Jalon Walker is a lock nonsense.  If true, the team has some leaks that Morgan needs to address.  Walter said, "Team sources"  I call them spies and leaks.  Telling people what you think serves no positive purpose. 

I would love Warren, Sanders, and Tremble at TE.  I would love an OT because I know that would give us leverage with Ickey and a backup / replacement for Moton.

The team has had leaks for years, this is the first draft in years where I don't personally know someone on the inside that I could get information from and I'm just a fan, you don't think the media has more inside information than a fan? 

 

That said Walker is a lock if he's there. 

Edited April 21 by carpanfan96

[SOJA]

I think there is a legitimate chance that Walker could go anywhere from picks 4-7 so I wouldn't put this in pen yet 

[45catfan]

Let's take this one site, it pulls data all over the Web and Warren's average is #9.  I think that is "sniffing" the top 10.

If folks read the very first sentence, they ranked players using data from 172 Big Boards.  They must be using different sites than PantherClaw uses.

Edited April 21 by 45catfan

[CPcavedweller]

7 hours ago, chknwing said:

If carolina doesnt walk away with Skateboo in this draft......

Skattebo, Warren, and Restrepo are my wish list. I'd like Josiah Stewart out of Coastal...erm...Michigan too, and he can be had on Day 3. 

With the offensive line playing the way it was, and five tuddy Bryce playing the way he has been, the running back room, tight end room, and receiver room all of the sudden look a whole lot better if you add those three.

Restrepo, Theilen, and Warren to go along with Xavier to take the top off would present issues for any defense in the league. You got the carvers, you got the deep threat, and you've got the wrecking ball. 

[CPcavedweller]

3 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

He has the HS running back problem. Penn State entirely centered their offense around him and half of his touches were very targeted, designed plays in that lame offense that’s held Allar back. 

I don’t necessarily see the “wow” with him as a receiver or blocker. If he has a traditional TE volume, I don’t see what separates him from a Tucker Kraft or Sam LaPorta as a prospect. He just got massive volume that it almost distorts his baseline skills. In a perfect world, you get a Jason Witten-esque guy (but that’s the high bar)

That being said, he’s still a 1st/high end TE talent, but it’s not this ultimate blue chip some are making him out to be. I just don’t see how someone can place him in that tier but somehow Jeanty will fall out of the top 10. We will see come Thursday…

Warren is as fluid as Travis Kelci. Every other guy you mentioned but Bowers are stiff and they play stiff. The flexibility Kelci provides KC cannot be understated. 

As for you don't see what separates him? His highlight tape says enough. As for the volume issue, or "high school running back issue". The guy was the best player from the 3rd or 4th best team in the country. This ain't no 1A high school championship running back. This is your 7A running back in Texas who had 350 carries and 75 tackles. 

[carpanfan96]

17 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Warren is as fluid as Travis Kelci. Every other guy you mentioned but Bowers are stiff and they play stiff. The flexibility Kelci provides KC cannot be understated. 

As for you don't see what separates him? His highlight tape says enough. As for the volume issue, or "high school running back issue". The guy was the best player from the 3rd or 4th best team in the country. This ain't no 1A high school championship running back. This is your 7A running back in Texas who had 350 carries and 75 tackles. 

I'm not saying he isn't good. I have him rated 9th and Loveland 10th on my own board. I just think Walker is a better player at a more valuable position. 

[Bear Hands]

19 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Warren is as fluid as Travis Kelci. Every other guy you mentioned but Bowers are stiff and they play stiff. The flexibility Kelci provides KC cannot be understated. 

As for you don't see what separates him? His highlight tape says enough. As for the volume issue, or "high school running back issue". The guy was the best player from the 3rd or 4th best team in the country. This ain't no 1A high school championship running back. This is your 7A running back in Texas who had 350 carries and 75 tackles. 

I know where you stand and I don’t anticipate much agreement here. 

I really don’t. He’s a bit better at perimeter work and reliability in the seams, but take away all the wildcat, trick play and college-specific work, I don’t see it. My eyes must be broken. 

[frankw]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Bryce wasn't even cracking an average of 200 yards per game in regulation to close out the year.  We were 30th in passing yards on the season.  

He made great strides vs his rookie year.  Glaring change.  But that was glaring simply because of how historically bad his rookie year was.  We are still a bad passing offense.  2024 was a bad passing O.   

I'm not buying whatever stat twisting was done to come up w/ Bryce was one of the best deep passers in the league. 

I still think it's simple.  You want Bryce to succeed? You need pass catchers out of the backfield.   You need slot/TE play.  You need YAC.  You need him to be what you drafted him to be.  We were way below average in terms of production out of the backfield.  We were way below average in terms of YAC.   Dreaming up we can somehow make Bryce some chunk play passer downfield is not something worth bothering with. 

Trade him if you don't want build around the dude you mortgaged our future on.  Keep him and play to his strengths.  I don't care which one.  But pick.  I give them a pass going into last year of things conflicting.   Now you got to pick IMO. 

Eye test wise Bryce looked like a different player by the end of last season. Even someone like myself that has been very skeptical will readily admit he looked very confident and made some very nice throws you would expect to see from a top pick. Statistically though you are correct there's been some coping going on and there were times that people were just clinging to whatever random statistical anomaly they could find from randos on Twitter. On the surface I get it. We need something anything to feel upbeat about. But if we want to win with Bryce not just short term but years from now we've got to increase YAC and that isn't going to happen with folks here awkwardly rejoicing over giving comically slow Adam Thielen a raise. But we don't have to draft a TE in the top ten to address this. We just need to be intelligent and stop trying to draft the same mold of WR over and over.

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

But if we want to win with Bryce not just short term but years from now we've got to increase YAC and that isn't going to happen with folks here awkwardly rejoicing over giving comically slow Adam Thielen a raise. over.

AT contemplated retirement this offseason and missed 7 games last year.  The fact he our featured pass catcher pending we don’t see some one emerge remains scary.  AT should be a 3rd option at most. 

Offense is still a priority IMO given we have to still build even an average pass O (which we weren’t last year).   Way too much “we are a defense away” talk going on. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I don't care about offensive production for a team that literally only threw to him and the running back. I care about what I see on film:   Dude cannot separate on his own against talented LBs/S and had to be schemed open; his route running is below average; while pretty athletic, he doesn't have elite athleticism or speed; his blocking form has quite a few red flags (dude should be a dominant run blocker for his size). He was talented enough to get open in college against a slower LB/S; that won't be the case in the NFL. Not to mention, the dude pretty much was nonexistent until this year for Penn St. If I am drafting a TE in the top 10, choosing a 5th year senior that didn't do anything until his last season should be pretty alarming.

Not saying he is going to be a bad player - I think he will be a solid short/intermediate possession TE in the NFL. I just don't understand the logic of taking him top 10

Kelce, Olsen, Witten etc ain’t getting open for winning the genetic lottery either (not by NFL standards). 

me wanting Warren has a lot to do with the fact we got Bryce Young and the glaring needs he needs to be successful.  And Dave is flat out going to have to migrate to new views on passing (which I think he can).   But we will stay a bottom tier pass attack unless the weapons and calls change.  I don’t care to barely compete with a great run attack and great D in today’s NFL.  You got to build your O around your QB to really compete and be something on O in today’s NFL

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

AT contemplated retirement this offseason and missed 7 games last year.  The fact he our featured pass catcher pending we don’t see some one emerge remains scary.  AT should be a 3rd option at most. 

Offense is still a priority IMO given we have to still build even an average pass O (which we weren’t last year).   Way too much “we are a defense away” talk going on. 

If there is anyone suggesting we are a defense away from legitimate playoff contention they are smoking some good poo. I think we should be able to compete in this pitiful division but anything else is hopium at best.

Now as far as this insistence from our FO on overvaluing Adam Thielen goes it makes me concerned for their judgment overall and if I am being harshly blunt it just sounds like Scott Fitterer logic and says they have virtually no confidence in their ability to draft receivers.