Scourton isn't signed (& apparently it's a thing)

[SmokinwithWilly]

If there was a way to do cap compensation for elective retirement or injury forced retirement like Luke or Oher, I could see less argument for guaranteed. 

[Basbear]

My personal opinion is the non-guaranteed contract is the main reason for NFL success. MLB and NBA players are on cruise control after their big contracts and it shows in the product. 

NFL is each year you are fighting for your job. Same for the majority of the public.... You get lazy or try to coast after the 100+ million contract, your ass will be cut within 1-2 years. Then the next one will not even touch 100 million+.

Besides a few NBA players like Kobe was coming for blood with a 300 million contract or 1 doll hair deal.

Brandy Beal just reached a buyout where he was getting 110 million, many other cases..... I dare say his name for the hornets guy..... MLB sooo many times as well. 

 

If the NFL starts fully guaranteeing all contracts, Id have a new hobby to fill the hours of entertainment NFL gave me. 

Edited July 16 by Basbear

[tukafan21]

This is where I feel like Tepper can throw his big wallet around to solve a problem.

Scourton was the 19th pick of the round, even if a few more teams give fully guarantees, I can't see them all getting it.

So don't give him the fully guaranteed deal, but give him a bigger signing bonus than his slot normally would get.  It might piss off other owners for setting a new precedent of giving bigger signing bonuses, but it would help stop the fully guarantee precedent the agents are trying to make.

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

This is where I feel like Tepper can throw his big wallet around to solve a problem.

Scourton was the 19th pick of the round, even if a few more teams give fully guarantees, I can't see them all getting it.

So don't give him the fully guaranteed deal, but give him a bigger signing bonus than his slot normally would get.  It might piss off other owners for setting a new precedent of giving bigger signing bonuses, but it would help stop the fully guarantee precedent the agents are trying to make.

[PNW_PantherMan]

8 hours ago, CRA said:

if the guaranteed didn't impact the cap and thus tie our hands in to extent to roster build.....I would agree with you. 

Yea its iffy.  It would be difficult to implement without moving to a soft cap/luxury tax model like NBA and MLB.  NHL pulled off guaranteed contracts with a hard cap, but I don't think that's realistic outside the NHL.  I don't think a luxury tax model would be good for the product, even if its good for the players.  Even though we would probably benefit from it because Tepper would be like the dude who owns the NY Mets now.

[TD alt]

7 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

This is where I feel like Tepper can throw his big wallet around to solve a problem.

Scourton was the 19th pick of the round, even if a few more teams give fully guarantees, I can't see them all getting it.

So don't give him the fully guaranteed deal, but give him a bigger signing bonus than his slot normally would get.  It might piss off other owners for setting a new precedent of giving bigger signing bonuses, but it would help stop the fully guarantee precedent the agents are trying to make.

You're still hamstringing the cap at the end of the day. 

[panthers320]

49ers 2nd rounder just signed with 9million of the 10million guaranteed, He was drafterd 43rd overall.

[Luciu5]

For anyone in this thread mentioning Tepper, owners, or billionaires, they really have nothing to do with this. More guaranteed money doesn't mean the owners pay more. It just means, if they get cut we get dead cap and someone else gets paid less than they would have if we had the cap space.

I think the only way owners can truly save themselves money when it comes to players is either by keeping the team well below the cap, but I don't see any teams operating at the cap minimum.

Either that, or offset language if a player gets picked up by someone else. But even then, that just opens more cap to be spent on different players instead. 

[Icege]

56 minutes ago, panthers320 said:

49ers 2nd rounder just signed with 9million of the 10million guaranteed, He was drafterd 43rd overall.

Wonder if this gets any movement on Shough's deal like @Basbear mentioned earlier.

[PNW_PantherMan]

31 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

For anyone in this thread mentioning Tepper, owners, or billionaires, they really have nothing to do with this. More guaranteed money doesn't mean the owners pay more. It just means, if they get cut we get dead cap and someone else gets paid less than they would have if we had the cap space.

I think the only way owners can truly save themselves money when it comes to players is either by keeping the team well below the cap, but I don't see any teams operating at the cap minimum.

Either that, or offset language if a player gets picked up by someone else. But even then, that just opens more cap to be spent on different players instead. 

Cap accounting and actual cash paid are not the same thing.  The league could figure it out if they wanted to.

[tukafan21]

8 hours ago, TD alt said:

You're still hamstringing the cap at the end of the day. 

Not if just giving a bigger signing bonus but the same guaranteed number, as that’s still part of the guaranteed money that they can space out for future cap hits.

Guaranteeing more money is what affects the cap space.

The amount of a signing bonus is only about how big of a check the owner has to cut once it’s signed (at least I’m 99% sure that’s the case)

Edited July 17 by tukafan21

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

Not if just giving a bigger signing bonus but the same guaranteed number, as that’s still part of the guaranteed money that they can space out for future cap hits.

Guaranteeing more money is what affects the cap space.

The amount of a signing bonus is only about how big of a check the owner has to cut once it’s signed (at least I’m 99% sure that’s the case)

I'm not cap expert, but I asked Google if a larger signing bonus affect an NFL cap, and here is the answer:

Yes, a larger signing bonus affects the NFL cap, but its impact is spread out. While the player receives the full bonus upfront, the team prorates it evenly over the life of the contract, up to a maximum of five years, for salary cap accounting purposes. This helps teams manage their cap space in the present by pushing some of the cap hit into future years.
 

I said "larger," but any size bonus can be applied. A player gets their money up front indeed, but the team still has to pay for it over time.

Edited July 17 by TD alt

[HaricotVert]

Ask yourself this
How many players but up big numbers in contract years vs those guaranteed years.

 

 

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

36 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I'm not cap expert, but I asked Google if a larger signing bonus affect an NFL cap, and here is the answer:

Yes, a larger signing bonus affects the NFL cap, but its impact is spread out. While the player receives the full bonus upfront, the team prorates it evenly over the life of the contract, up to a maximum of five years, for salary cap accounting purposes. This helps teams manage their cap space in the present by pushing some of the cap hit into future years.
 

I said "larger," but any size bonus can be applied. A player gets their money up front indeed, but the team still has to pay for it over time.

Yea the bonuses are typically the guaranteed portion of the contract and for cap accounting purposes are spread over the life of the deal.  I think everything else is basically a game check that has to be earned by being on the roster etc.