Frank comment about Bryce? "Excited"

[PanthersATL]

Frank Reich excited about Bryce Young’s resurgence after ‘terrible’ start to QB’s NFL career 
 

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“I’m happy for Bryce,” Reich said Tuesday at ACC media days of Young’s resurgence. “We all know he was a good player.”

Reich said the way things started in the NFL for Young was “terrible.”

“It was terrible for him; it was terrible for all of us who were a part of it,” Reich said. “There were so many things to unwind there before it could get going in the right direction and that just takes time. Sometimes you are given time as a head coach and sometimes you’re not.”

When asked what he meant by “things to unwind,” Reich declined to elaborate, indicating he was only making a general statement.

Reich said he has no regrets about his decision to start Young as a rookie in Week 1.

“To me I still hold the philosophy that if you’re the first pick in the NFL draft, you’re starting,” Reich said. “To me that is a universal football principle. You’re drafted number one, you’re starting week one. Now if the rest of the roster isn’t ready to support you, that’s a different question. And sometimes it just takes a younger guy time to develop.”

 

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[Panthera onca]

Frank justed wanted to throw Young to the wolves because he wanted to draft Stroud. It was a big FU to Tepper and that is why he only lasted a few games before getting canned.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Frank justed wanted to throw Young to the wolves because he wanted to draft Stroud. It was a big FU to Tepper and that is why he only lasted a few games before getting canned.

I don't think he did it to spite Bryce. Seems like Bryce is a truly decent guy that virtually everyone likes. I do think Frank likely preferred Stroud and was either was led to believe or deluded himself into thinking that he would have a lot more say in the direction we went at QB in the draft. Once we decided on Bryce knowing Bryce didn't fit his system and preferences in a QB it really seemed like the wind went out of Frank's sails and he basically started mailing it in and just waited to get fired and paid out. Maybe I'm misreading the whole situation but that's certainly the way it looked to me from the outside looking in.

[Gapanthersfan]

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think he did it to spite Bryce. Seems like Bryce is a truly decent guy that virtually everyone likes. I do think Frank likely preferred Stroud and was either was led to believe or deluded himself into thinking that he would have a lot more say in the direction we went at QB in the draft. Once we decided on Bryce knowing Bryce didn't fit his system and preferences in a QB it really seemed like the wind went out of Frank's sails and he basically started mailing it in and just waited to get fired and paid out. Maybe I'm misreading the whole situation but that's certainly the way it looked to me from the outside looking in.

100%. 

In his heart, he absolutely thought he’d have Stroud. What he may have promised will never be known, but I can’t imagine him taking the gig unless he would be allowed to get ‘his guy’. When BY was the pick and day 1 of camp concluded, Frank went in to ‘I’m too old for this ish’ mode. 

To me, His comments show that he holds no ill will with Bryce, but he is less than enamored with the org. 

[frankw]

The day he finally unloads the happenings of that entire process will be very entertaining. It will be very unkind to the Tepper's to say the least.

[Bear Hands]

48 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think he did it to spite Bryce. Seems like Bryce is a truly decent guy that virtually everyone likes. I do think Frank likely preferred Stroud and was either was led to believe or deluded himself into thinking that he would have a lot more say in the direction we went at QB in the draft. Once we decided on Bryce knowing Bryce didn't fit his system and preferences in a QB it really seemed like the wind went out of Frank's sails and he basically started mailing it in and just waited to get fired and paid out. Maybe I'm misreading the whole situation but that's certainly the way it looked to me from the outside looking in.

Yeah I think Frank saw Bryce in his offense come that camp and was obviously quite petrified and had to play it cool/mask it.  He wasn't a guy curating a modern offense around a player, he had a fixed system and philosophy that just didn't work with Bryce.  Then the season rolled around and we saw what that looked like, and Bryce's psyche (and play of course) took a major hit.  Combine that with his physical limitations, and it was the recipe for disaster that we all witnessed.  

Still won't forget how much our staff seemed to be gushing over CJ at his pro day.  

I still view this year as the real "prove it" one for Bryce.  He was great to close out last, so we need to see that it has rolled over and continued to improve within a system that is much more tailored to his skillset.   

[Tomcatn]

I still view this year as the real "prove it" one for Bryce.  He was great to close out last, so we need to see that it has rolled over and continued to improve within a system that is much more tailored to his skillset.   

 

I want to be hopeful.....7yrs has been a long time.

[OneBadCat]

20 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah I think Frank saw Bryce in his offense come that camp and was obviously quite petrified and had to play it cool/mask it.  He wasn't a guy curating a modern offense around a player, he had a fixed system and philosophy that just didn't work with Bryce.  Then the season rolled around and we saw what that looked like, and Bryce's psyche (and play of course) took a major hit.  Combine that with his physical limitations, and it was the recipe for disaster that we all witnessed.  

Still won't forget how much our staff seemed to be gushing over CJ at his pro day.  

I still view this year as the real "prove it" one for Bryce.  He was great to close out last, so we need to see that it has rolled over and continued to improve within a system that is much more tailored to his skillset.   

It is really bizarre. I’m guessing it’s true that Tepper overruled and picked Bryce as his guy. 
 

Crazy what confidence and a change of scheme can do though. Bryce looked like a poor imitation of Taylor Heineke out there. With Canales he’s a different dude. 
 

Im still of the opinion that Steve Wilks earned that HC job and the quickest way to getting the team back on track was to keep that power offense with Foreman, draft Stroud, then sign Cam for one more go.

Edited 6 hours ago by OneBadCat

[countryboi]

1 hour ago, Panthera onca said:

Frank justed wanted to throw Young to the wolves because he wanted to draft Stroud. It was a big FU to Tepper and that is why he only lasted a few games before getting canned.

Y’all just be talking. Frank had 36 million reasons not to do this,  he was just awful at his job. He was exactly the same coach the Colts warned us about.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, countryboi said:

Y’all just be talking. Frank had 36 million reasons not to do this,  he was just awful at his job. He was exactly the same coach the Colts warned us about.

As soon as Frank signed the papers he had the $36M guaranteed. He didn't have to avoid getting fired to get it and seemingly made no effort to avoid getting fired. Truth be told he probably felt a good deal of relief that day and probably enjoyed a nice meal with his family that night discussing plans for retirement life away from football. 

[frankw]

No one here is going to argue with the fact that Reich was not up to the task and ultimately beyond his expiration date in the NFL. And yes many of the things Colts fans said comically came to fruition here. At the same time. We also don't need to go around doing the Tepper's bidding by blaming it solely on him. Because there is also the reality that even after we fired Reich the offense worsened. And even after purging his staff firing our GM and hiring a new coach the Panthers started out last season with two of the ugliest games in franchise history. Let's process the entire picture here but also recognize Reich was a convenient scapegoat as well.

[Swaggasaurus]

Is it factual that Frank and other coaches wanted CJ and was overruled by Tepper? Rumor mill until Frank or Tepper says otherwise for me. 
 

And even if he did, it’s still really up in the air who the better QB will be. 

[Bear Hands]

6 minutes ago, frankw said:

No one here is going to argue with the fact that Reich was not up to the task and ultimately beyond his expiration date in the NFL. And yes many of the things Colts fans said comically came to fruition here. At the same time. We also don't need to go around doing the Tepper's bidding by blaming it solely on him. Because there is also the reality that even after we fired Reich the offense worsened. And even after purging his staff firing our GM and hiring a new coach the Panthers started out last season with two of the ugliest games in franchise history. Let's process the entire picture here but also recognize Reich was a convenient scapegoat as well.

Good perspective. And it's hard to know what really was the case with CJ vs. Bryce.  

I do think Reich's system had basically past its expiration date and we should've obviously recognized that in our search. Coming off Rhule, we all recognized Tepper wanted NFL experience at the helm.  The issue we looked past was that what seemed like a fun assembly of coaches from a bunch of different systems was not the way to approach it.  Thomas Brown was thrown in too soon as OC, way over his head.  Just so many factors at play.  I think it really created chaos and made it a difficult offense to implement.  No cohesive vision/just competing philosophies and coaching.  

Then come the start of last season. you're right that Bryce was still super off.  Something had to get shaken out of him.  I would love to see what thing were like behind the scenes during Dalton's starting period that allowed Bryce to really change his game.  He still had messy pocket tendencies but the field vision/timing/awareness definitely shifted wayyy for the better once he was back.  

That final 6-7 games were a good indicator, so we'll see how things look to start this one.

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

Is it factual that Frank and other coaches wanted CJ and was overruled by Tepper? Rumor mill until Frank or Tepper says otherwise for me. 
 

And even if he did, it’s still really up in the air who the better QB will be. 

CJ Stroud is 23 years old and already has 2 more career playoff wins than our legendary backup.

It really isn't that up in the air.