For those thinking Renfrow isn't making the team...Ha!

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, t96 said:

1. Their ages are completely irrelevant.

2. Thielen had more yards and over twice as many TDs in 10 games last year than Renfrow has had in 27 games since 2022. So yeah, he probably should have more playing time and opportunity.

Not to mention JT and Coker who both have been considerably more effective as receivers than Renfrow has been recently and who also have the consideration of needing playing time for their development.

In 2023 Thielen was 10th in receptions and 14th in targets. In the entire league. We had the 32nd passing offense. There is zero correlation between Thielen getting targets/receptions and actually winning games anymore than there is with Renfrow.

[t96]

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

I disagree. He is an experienced veteran and past Pro Bowl receiver who is a very adept route runner. Is it really a stretch to think that he could see the third most targets and receptions in a decidedly super young WR corps (minus one old guy who has one foot in retirement)? Renfrow certainly saw the most targets on day one of camp.

People read way too much into small sample sizes in training camp. Look, I hope for the best from Renfrow and that he's fully recovered from injuries and rejuvenated and can have a nice comeback season. But even at his best he was an average slot receiver who compiled his way to a single 1000 yard season (in a year Derek Carr threw for 4800 yards). He has been horribly ineffective in 27 games since then and out of the league for a year.

Coker showed more to me as a UDFA rookie last year than Renfrow has shown in his entire career, frankly.

Thielen yes is near retirement and basically just a locker room guy at this point but he's also still been wayyyy more effective than Renfrow recently. 

And JT also has shown a ton of potential and ability as a pass catching threat and will be on the field nearly every down. I'd be shocked if he has less targets/receptions than Renfrow.

I'm not super high on XL frankly (thought Coker was better and showed more potential last year), but I think it can be assumed he'll be top 2 with Tet.

 

Hey anything can happen. Maybe Thielen shows he's lost more than a few steps rapidly, TE becomes forgotten in our offense, XL gets benched and Renfrow does have that great comeback year. But as it stands now I doubt any of those things happen and 1 practice in August isn't changing my mind. We'll see what happens throughout camp and once pads come on and the young guys and rookies naturally earn more opportunity and playing time. Maybe it'll be a different discussion then, but Renfrow's last 27 games and year off FAR outweigh 1 practice.

[TD alt]

5 minutes ago, t96 said:

1. Their ages are completely irrelevant.

2. Thielen had more yards and over twice as many TDs in 10 games last year than Renfrow has had in 27 games since 2022. So yeah, he probably should have more playing time and opportunity.

Not to mention JT and Coker who both have been considerably more effective as receivers than Renfrow has been recently and who also have the consideration of needing playing time for their development.

But why chop off career stats and not look at respective circumstances in general? It's really convenient to support a decidedly negative narrative to begin at 2022 when 2021 was a career year, 2023 was a "sick" year and 2024 doesn't count due to the same sickness. Moreover, there's a pretty big gap between 29 and 34 in regards to a football career and how it relates to production and even expectation. There's an argument that Renfrow still has a few years left in his prime. Thielen? I don't know about that.

All I'm saying is that keeping everything in perspective is perhaps the wisest path. 

[NorthTryon]

The Panthers are not cutting Jimmy Horn. With all of the options they have for roster construction now, plus what he brings to the table, he is here this year. 

[TD alt]

1 minute ago, NorthTryon said:

The Panthers are not cutting Jimmy Horn. With all of the options they have for roster construction now, plus what he brings to the table, he is here this year. 

I don't think anyone said that they would. He's young, has some pop, can help on special teams, but he's going to have to play his way up the depth chart (over several guys, including Renfrow) due to the pecking order. He has a lot to learn and a lot to prove, the primary thing being that he belongs in the league. The next month is important for him.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, t96 said:

If he's top 3 in receptions then our offense has a real problem.

That's generally the area a healthy Renfrow operated under.  First 3 seasons in the league.  And again, if healthy, he will get open better and easier than basically everyone on the roster (that's being polite)....for what will be safer throws than some jump ball downfield to XL.  

I don't think the yardage would not be crazy but yeah, I totally could see a scenario where he racks up a lot of catches given what he is and does.  Safe open throws to move chains.  That's Renfrow. 

 

[TD alt]

19 minutes ago, frankw said:

In 2023 Thielen was 10th in receptions and 14th in targets. In the entire league. We had the 32nd passing offense. There is zero correlation between Thielen getting targets/receptions and actually winning games anymore than there is with Renfrow.

I agree with you there. 

All I'm saying is that we should just keep things in perspective (different circumstances, ages and all that).

My hot take (which I guess it is considering the responses) is purely based upon Bryce's comments. I don't think he was talking out of his ass. 

[Soul Rebel]

I personally would take Renfrow over Moore if the former truly is back to his old form. 

FWIW though, I wouldn't use ink yet on Renfrow making this roster over Moore. Sheena Quick was on WFNZ this morning saying that if she had to choose bw the two, she thinks Moore makes it over Renfrow.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

His last 4 years.  Rec - Targets

 

103 - 128

36 - 50

25- 37

0 -0 (obviously hurt/sick)

 

If this dude is top 3 in receptions something has gone drastically wrong

well, first there are lots of things wrong and that generally go wrong in Carolina.  Which is why it's not hard to see a path where that plays out. 

Rookie year - top 3

Soph year - top 3

3rd year - top 3

4th year - only suited up 10 and then the health stuff started up. 

So yeah, a healthy Hunter....gets open and gets open quick for easy throws. Receptions.   BY isn't a deep ball shot taker.  That's not his game.  It's an easy call that fans will be either mad at Tmac or XL (maybe both).  Bryce doesn't have the balls to satisfy the fan wish of 2 outside guys. 

I mean, Adam Theilen is basically walking proof as well of why it can easily happen.   

[Navy_football]

53 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, first there are lots of things wrong and that generally go wrong in Carolina.  Which is why it's not hard to see a path where that plays out. 

Rookie year - top 3

Soph year - top 3

3rd year - top 3

4th year - only suited up 10 and then the health stuff started up. 

So yeah, a healthy Hunter....gets open and gets open quick for easy throws. Receptions.   BY isn't a deep ball shot taker.  That's not his game.  It's an easy call that fans will be either mad at Tmac or XL (maybe both).  Bryce doesn't have the balls to satisfy the fan wish of 2 outside guys. 

I mean, Adam Theilen is basically walking proof as well of why it can easily happen.   

Actually struggled with concussion and oblique injuries from week 2 of the 4th year, so even those 10 games were heavily compromised.

[Gapanthersfan]

You suck, you sit. You ball out, you see the field. Drop passes, get stupid penalties or run sloppy/wrong routes? You sit. I hold no ill will towards any of the players, but we deserve the best Panthers team possible. 

If Horn turns in to SS89 v 2.0 and is obviously the best WR on the team, then he is WR#1, draft position be damned. I’m not saying it’ll happen, it likely won’t, but the guys who give the team the best chance to win have to see the field. 

[Byrdman4real]

Think they will keep 7 WRs for final cuts, then will place one on PS. MOORE seems like the best candidate to move because it's unlikely a team takes him from us. Renfrow probably wouldn't last on the PS and you know Horn would not.

Or 

One of the WRs will come up with a questionable injury, which would help out the situation and no players are lost.

[cmichd08]

On 7/23/2025 at 5:21 PM, jfra78 said:

I see us keeping 6

I see horn as being the return man this year as Smith was his rookie year. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, cmichd08 said:

I see horn as being the return man this year as Smith was his rookie year. 

Horn had 14 punt returns in 4 years.   I think way too many people are crediting him for having this ST upper hand that doesn’t really exist 

89 had 72 in just 2 years at Utah. 

NFL punt returners are a different breed.  Gets hard to predict who can handle it.  Didn’t DJ Moore buckle under the pressure with his attempts? 

I do like Horn’s potential though.  He is the most unique WR on the roster vs the rest of the group.  But 6th round WRs are generally that for a reason