So, just what is it that makes a QB "elite"?

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, Castavar said:

100%

Cam elevated EVERYBODY around him. Ted Ginn Jr was nothing but a decent KR/PR before coming here. Devin Funchess was a fuggin TE in college, Philly Brown was never to be heard of again after leaving, etc. This MF was throwing dimes to practice squad players in the playoffs (who was it Kaelin Clay I think?). 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/400999177

Yes elevating the talent around you is the starting point for a franchise QB. Even Cam near the end before his arm fell apart was still doing that.

It's crazy how much some people have lowered their standards around here.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Well we start with the basics, physical ability. Mayfield, Jones and especially Darnold all have that basic. Young does not. Not a total loss, Murray doesn’t either, but it’s one more thing to overcome. 

Murray pretty much has all the tools minus size. Big difference from Bryce who has none of the tools plus none of the size and while similar height I'd bet Murray has at least 20 pounds on Bryce, maybe more.

[PadresPanthersFan]

Whatever the opposite of Bryce Young is

[Jmac]

Give Hendon Hooker a chance.lets see what happens 

[Jmac]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Murray pretty much has all the tools minus size. Big difference from Bryce who has none of the tools plus none of the size and while similar height I'd bet Murray has at least 20 pounds on Bryce, maybe more.

If Young got his ass in the weight room like Murray does instead of watching Netflix, it might help 

[onmyown]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Murray pretty much has all the tools minus size. Big difference from Bryce who has none of the tools plus none of the size and while similar height I'd bet Murray has at least 20 pounds on Bryce, maybe more.

I was more speaking to physical ability at a base level. Things like speed, muscle and weight can all be improved. Entirely possible, and likely, Murray has better genetics/build but even Murray has admitted to adjusting his training and playing style to fit his physical short comings (no pun intended).

[Jon Snow]

I can't explain it to you but in my opinion there's only 3 or 4 in the league right now.

[flagfootballcoach28]

Almost all NFL QB's have had great games here and there. Consistently being a top 5 performing QB week in and week out is what makes you elite. 

[Castavar]

15 minutes ago, frankw said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/400999177

Yes elevating the talent around you is the starting point for a franchise QB. Even Cam near the end before his arm fell apart was still doing that.

It's crazy how much some people have lowered their standards around here.

So it was Kaelin Clay, can't believe i got the name right lol

You just knew Cam was really that dude his first game. Hell, you saw it even in that preseason game against the Bengals. He put us on his back the moment he came here. Meanwhile Bryce throws 2 ints to the SAME player his first game 

You can just tell when a QB has that "it" factor about him. The team just feeds off of it. 

[Shocker]

The Browns have been looking for one since Brian Sipe and Kosar days.  No guarantees whoever you pick.  We were spoiled with Cam in so many ways.  We should keep Bryce for a year and pick one next draft to groom

[Shocker]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Murray pretty much has all the tools minus size. Big difference from Bryce who has none of the tools plus none of the size and while similar height I'd bet Murray has at least 20 pounds on Bryce, maybe more.

It is really impressive how you bash Bryce in nearly every post.  It’s been clear you can’t stand him but still you continue.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Shocker said:

The Browns have been looking for one since Brian Sipe and Kosar days.  No guarantees whoever you pick.  We were spoiled with Cam in so many ways.  We should keep Bryce for a year and pick one next draft to groom

I'm guessing that this is what the team is thinking. They really have no choice but look for another qb. I bet anything a new qb will replace Andy and one will be drafted. Hooker will fight for a roster spot against Young and whoever replaces Andy if Hooker is still here. The draft pick will battle Young for starter if Young is still here. If not it will be against the new vet.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

It is really impressive how you bash Bryce in nearly every post.  It’s been clear you can’t stand him but still you continue.

How is it bashing? What physical asset does Bryce have that isn't subpar at the NFL level? What physical asset does he have that is superior to Murray's?

[OneBadCat]

I think Bryce has elite traits in his mind for the game, his touch, and anticipation. But he does not have elite traits in size, throw power, leadership, confidence.

He looked amazing at Bama because he had a stacked roster in the college ranks. It was easier for the offense to have flawless execution.

Now that Bryce is in the NFL it’s easier to throw off his type of game because more individual matchups are lost or disrupt the timing of the offense. And since Bryce lacks the physical traits to overcome these issues the offense just putters unless everyone is playing well. 
 

I won’t take away all of his credit for the comeback today. Yes ARZ played vanilla but every team does that with a lead. I just want to see us play like that in the first quarter. And as the sample size gets larger it just doesn’t seem like what it takes to get this offense going is A. Sustainable, B. Reasonable. 

Edited 18 hours ago by OneBadCat