Be careful what you wish for

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

It's all good. I think that in general, we may be too impatient, but when you see some guys, like Bryce, there's just nothing you can do with them. 

100%, being patient is probably good in the grand scheme of things but with the rookie deal it doesnt allow for that if you are a qb like bryce and you havent shown jack poo.  So its 3 years and off you go.  

 

but if you somehow get a good qb on a rookie deal  you can weaponize it

Edited 6 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[Shotgun]

Its my dream that Young will someday be the starting QB for the Falcons. Please!

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

Bryce young on another team isn't going to magically make him 6'2 and able to throw past 20 yards

[bandu]

9 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Did you miss my first post in this thread too? Look at the first page and go two down. 

i see it now 

i just don't think people stop & truly see what we have invested in Bryce Young as a #1 overall pick .anytime you draft a #1 overall pick they should be almost ready to start from day one not just in football but any sport or you should not draft them in the first place with the #1 overall pick. if you know beforehand  it's going to take years to develop them into maybe a good Qb then that's not only a huge red flag but also a player you take a flyer on in the latter rounds 

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm just saying if you made a list of all the dominant Bama, OSU, UGA college QBs out there competing for nattys and blowing folks up.......how many have ever really hit a the next level (regardless of draft status). 

It just seems like that's not where you find a QB.  That's where you find the players for around your QB.  

Then you look at who the actual dominant NFL QBs are.  You got a Texas Tech.  A North Dakota.  A Louisville. 

I mean you got a Burrow that would run counter to my train of thought but yeah, it gets really tough to judge these dudes that were playing on basically college all star rosters.  

How many QBs hit from any school?  I've seen these arguments a lot but honestly so few even hit that it looks bad for most.  Recent history on UNC for example, Mitch bust, and Howell was at one time a 1st rounder dropped to 5th and is now on his 3rd team, so maybe the Pats shouldn't have drafted Maye?  Nah you never scout the school.  Even the ones you mentioned are outliers in their own schools.  Baker was dominated for a pretty dominate school, but I can't think of many Oklahoma QBs aside from him.  It takes so much for these guys to find success.  Clemson had Watson and then he fell off mentally, Lawrence isn't living up to his hype, Cade is struggling before he is even drafted, Whitehurst and Boyd never did anything, and Dantzler had to change positions.

[Jmac]

We where to good for those guys.........don't ya know????

Now look at the sh%t storm we have......

[The Lobo]

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

100%, being patient is probably good in the grand scheme of things but with the rookie deal it doesnt allow for that if you are a qb like bryce and you havent shown jack poo.  So its 3 years and off you go.  

 

but if you somehow get a good qb on a rookie deal  you can weaponize it

Solid point about the rookie contract especially since I believe Tepper and company brought that up, he was so good we could sign other players while he is on a rookie deal and capitalize on the cap space. Sorta like Seattle did with Russ while he was on a rookie deal. But, problem is Bryce isn’t close to that version of Russ and Tepper sucks as an owner. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, The Lobo said:

Solid point about the rookie contract especially since I believe Tepper and company brought that up, he was so good we could sign other players while he is on a rookie deal and capitalize on the cap space. Sorta like Seattle did with Russ while he was on a rookie deal. But, problem is Bryce isn’t close to that version of Russ and Tepper sucks as an owner. 

yep so its essentially working against us

[cranky]

52 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

I get your points and the logic of the post is valid but  I'D  LOVE TO FACE YOUNG 2 TIMES A YEAR lol 

That's what Atlanta said in week 18 of last year lol

[cranky]

50 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This is cherry picking and, quite honestly, with some suspect examples with recency bias. The overwhelming majority of bust QB's that teams move on from end up never amounting to anything more than a lower level starter to middling backup. 

I would wager likely greater than 95% in the past 25 drafts or so.

You are missing the point. I just wanted to highlight how board members have a tendency to give up too quickly on QB's as opposed to looking at the coaching staff. 

[poorboysrev]

36 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Not to mention that Darnold is still a lower tier starter to upper tier backup QB. Far from a "success" story.

Baker was a playoff caliber player with the team that drafted him. He doesn't fit this mold at all. Hell, look at his stats from Cleveland and it will make your head spin in comparison to the rest of the guys being mentioned there.

Jones looks great so far but it's two games of that.

 

Man if we’d just played the burns situation correctly and held onto Baker(so no truckload of picks for Bryce)… oh well but yeah I’ve never understood why Bakers so underrated 

[cranky]

49 minutes ago, CRA said:

every player mentioned in your post is a better QB than Bryce.  That's why it's not Bryce hate.  

 

And they all have more years of experience and are in a MUCH better environment from a coaching standpoint. I'm not sure any of them were that much better at the end of their second year

[cranky]

45 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Not to mention that Darnold is still a lower tier starter to upper tier backup QB. Far from a "success" story.

Baker was a playoff caliber player with the team that drafted him. He doesn't fit this mold at all. Hell, look at his stats from Cleveland and it will make your head spin in comparison to the rest of the guys being mentioned there.

Jones looks great so far but it's two games of that.

 

I'm simply pointing out how fast everyone is to judge QB's and blame all the Panther's ills on their play while completly ignoring the coaching/development staff.

[bandu]

8 minutes ago, cranky said:

That's what Atlanta said in week 18 of last year lol

that's the one & only game Bryce Young has ever won on the road as a starting Qb in the NFL...just saying  1-16