Legette is a Luxury to the team.

[jb2288]

Great, so not only is he short he’s also illiterate 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the game breaker WR is a bit overrated. Not that they don't have value but a finely tuned offense will produce open players and big plays without the need for a Ted Ginn Jr.

The tuning on this offensive machine is anything but fine.

The QB is basically the engine of an offensive machine and we have a lawnmower engine in a dump truck. Ain't no tuning your way out of that lack of horsepower.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the game breaker WR is a bit overrated. Not that they don't have value but a finely tuned offense will produce open players and big plays without the need for a Ted Ginn Jr.

The tuning on this offensive machine is anything but fine.

I mean, it's an old school offense in reality.  You got to find players to make plays.  The O isn't just going to create it with just anyone. 

I didn't say we needed a game breaking WR.  We literally just need players that can push and hope to create some YAC because Bryce isn't' going to stress a D deep enough (which has fugged up the O every season he has played including Franks)

AT and Renfrow included don't offer YAC at the slot.  That's not what either are.  Slot is the easiest place to get some.  Obviously, I don't want my dude Renfrow benched.  He has a purpose.   But the Panthers need to start searching for solutions.   We got zero real quickness on the field. 

And hell, I don't even know if Horn really offers it because the Panther preseasons tell you virtually nothing about dudes

[jb2288]

35 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I agree completely.  I’m not absolving XL of his errors and shortcomings, but week 2 was definitely less an issue with him as it was QB and coaching/scheme.  
 

It’s becoming abundantly clear, not just with XL, but with everyone on the offense, our coaches are not crafting a game plan to play to their players’ strengths, but rather they’re creating a game plan and then trying to fit guys into it where each position is treating each player as interchangeable and they’re not.  The breakdown I watched also discussed how no one expected XL to be destroying people with his route running coming out - that would have to be refined.  So, the poo we’re seeing, we can’t really blame him for.  He has gotten open enough often, but the passes are often off-target.  And he would likely excel more as a guy who can threaten with the deep ball to take the top off the defense, but we don’t have a QB that can throw that pass.

I don’t know about this one. Looking at his touches in week 2, there are still 3 plays I can find where he had an easy 2-3 yards upfield and somehow turned it to a race to the sideline for no gain or negative yardage. He was putting us in 2nd and 11 vs 2nd and 7. It doesn’t seem like much, but an NFL WR has to know to get upfield. You will break one eventually. 

[L-TownCat]

31 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

 

It’s becoming abundantly clear, not just with XL, but with everyone on the offense, our coaches are not crafting a game plan to play to their players’ strengths, but rather they’re creating a game plan and then trying to fit guys into it where each position is treating each player as interchangeable and they’re not.

To me it looks like the coach can’t call what he wants to call because the QB can’t physically do it and now coach is having to call plays in an unfamiliar way.

Its like setting your gps to “avoid highways” and now your in the middle of nowhere and you have no signal.  All you can do is drive around and hope it works out.

(PS: Not a Canales endorsement he could just be bad too)

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

But the Panthers need to start searching for solutions.   

The only potential immediate solution I can see is trying to trade a late round pick for someone's backup QB that actually has NFL tools.

NFL defenses have thoroughly figured out how to take away the things Bryce actually does well. If I'm an opposing HC I'm telling my DC to do NOT let up and go soft unless we're up big late in the 4th. Start focusing on containment with the pass rush and playing soft zone behind it and you're just giving Bryce a life line. You're giving him all the stuff he actually does well while focusing on taking away the stuff he struggles with. Just keep the pressure on and stick to the game plan, we're not playing a typical NFL QB that might make you pay by burning you deep while you're being aggressive.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The only potential immediate solution I can see is trying to trade a late round pick for someone's backup QB that actually has NFL tools.

NFL defenses have thoroughly figured out how to take away the things Bryce actually does well. If I'm an opposing HC I'm telling my DC to do NOT let up and go soft unless we're up big late in the 4th. Start focusing on containment with the pass rush and playing soft zone behind it and you're just giving Bryce a life line. You're giving him all the stuff he actually does well while focusing on taking away the stuff he struggles with. Just keep the pressure on and stick to the game plan, we're not playing a typical NFL QB that might make you pay by burning you deep while you're being aggressive.

we are in total agreement.  I'm just kicking up rocks trying to figure out how you potentially could just suck less next week lol. 

[mrcompletely11]

"You know who I like........ "

[LinvilleGorge]

fug it , I'm in. Sign her.

Which one you ask?

 

 

[electro's horse]

34 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, Dave doesn't seem like a "muh scheme" type of coach where he wants plays drawn up for his QB to robotically go through a preprogrammed process. He seems like more the type of coach that just wants his scheme to produce opportunities for a QB to be a playmaker. It's a scheme you'd love to play in as a QB and it's the type of scheme that should work really well for the "point guard mentality" QB they tried to sell us on Bryce being and the type of QB he was at Alabama but at the NFL level all of those physical shortcomings that seemed plainly evident to many of us on the college field are showing up in a big way. Even with his bad decisions I honestly think a lot of it is that he's struggling to see the field. I don't mean that figuratively in that he's misreading the defense or missing open receivers, I mean that literally in that I think he's struggling to see the field over the lines of 6'4"+ huge men in front of him. Reich used to talk about creating throwing lanes for Bryce to see through and holy poo... if you need throwing lanes now you've massively shrunk your opportunities. Now you're trying to play QB through a picket fence. If you watched him play at Bama, you saw him routinely drop back 10-15 yards behind the LOS to gain depth so that he could see over the scrum. You just can't do that routinely in the NFL. NFL pass rushers are just too good. Your OTs can't create that deep of a pocket.

It’s play action stretch mesh 

it’s a highschool offense 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, electro's horse said:

It’s play action stretch mesh 

it’s a highschool offense 

Well, Bryce is a HS QB so seems fitting.

[electro's horse]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, Bryce is a HS QB so seems fitting.

I mean they’d ideally like to use that to take deep shots or open up second level throws but oops 

[Camp Fodder]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When Coker comes back we have to replace XL in the lineup with him. Playing XL at this point practically amounts to playing 10 vs. 11.

They won’t. See nick scott, Rozeboom, Jones, Wonnum etc

[kungfoodude]

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, it's an old school offense in reality.  You got to find players to make plays.  The O isn't just going to create it with just anyone. 

I didn't say we needed a game breaking WR.  We literally just need players that can push and hope to create some YAC because Bryce isn't' going to stress a D deep enough (which has fugged up the O every season he has played including Franks)

AT and Renfrow included don't offer YAC at the slot.  That's not what either are.  Slot is the easiest place to get some.  Obviously, I don't want my dude Renfrow benched.  He has a purpose.   But the Panthers need to start searching for solutions.   We got zero real quickness on the field. 

And hell, I don't even know if Horn really offers it because the Panther preseasons tell you virtually nothing about dudes

TMac and Sanders are the only two of our receivers in the middlish of the pack(1.0 and 0.6/R) for Expected YAC/R above actual YAC/R. Hilariously, XL is 2nd to last in the NFL at -3. Only Diggs is lower at -6.