Week 3 PFF Grades

[App Panther]

Any word on JTS injury? Hobbled off pretty badly.

[BlazeCarolina]

25 minutes ago, CRA said:

wish the base look would just be Tmac and Tremayne outside w/ Renfrow in the slot.  For all the talk of Canales saying play the youth.....he shouldn't be putting his boy David Moore out there so heavily vs Tremayne.   Who might be this years Coker. 

I agree, but humans are flawed.  He's not likely to change.  For whatever reason he loves David Moore.

I have been having Ron Rivera flashbacks lately with this staff.  Not in a good way.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

It's mildly surprising to see David Moore play 56/58 snaps on offense while Tremayne and Renfrow played 16 or 17 snaps each. Tells you a bit about the current hierarchy at WR.

Renfrow has terrible chemistry with Bryce. Not sure what is up with that.

[Shotgun]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Andy Dalton made the list lol

[PleaseCutStewart]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Tremayne has earned the right to play over XL, that's for sure. Granted the bar to clear for that is on the floor but still. Honestly, when Coker returns I want to see T-Mac, Tremayne, and Coker getting heavy dose of snaps. The Bryce/Renfrow connection is just not planning out and XL has produced virtually nothing.

Wouldn't be the worst with T-Mac and Tremayne on the outside and Coker in the slot. I still think my preference is T-Mac and Tremayne outside and Renfrow in the slot for now (until Coker comes back). Renfrow didn't have a good day yesterday, but I think he played well the 1st 2 weeks. Bryce having a noodle arm and not being able to throw an accurate deep ball to Renfrow is the only reason his stats aren't much better.

Edited September 22, 2025 by PleaseCutStewart

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Wouldn't be the worst with T-Mac and Tremayne on the outside and Coker in the slot. I still think my preference is T-Mac and Tremayne outside and Renfrow in the slot for now (until Coker comes back). Renfrow didn't have a good day yesterday, but I think he played well the 1st 2 weeks. Bryce having a noodle arm and not being able to throw an accurate deep ball to Renfrow is the only reason his stats aren't much better.

Yeah, Bryce seems to really struggle to put the ball on Renfrow down the field.

[Joe Bear]

I can always tell whether a thread is stats that make Bryce Young look good (relatively speaking in most cases), or bad, by if it's started by Icege or CRA.

[Joe Bear]

3 hours ago, Panthering said:

Mike Jackson was a great trade by Dan Morgan, he's grown nicely into CB2 role.

Credit where it's due. Dan made a great deal there.

[Icege]

16 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

I can always tell when a thread is stats that make Brycen Tremayne look good (relatively speaking in most cases), it's started by Icege.

Guilty as charged.

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

It's mildly surprising to see David Moore play 56/58 snaps on offense while Tremayne and Renfrow played 16 or 17 snaps each. Tells you a bit about the current hierarchy at WR.

I wonder if they're trying to keep Renfrow fresh by controlling his snap count???

[CRA]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Renfrow has terrible chemistry with Bryce. Not sure what is up with that.

I think it is pretty simple.  Bryce has lead the NFL in bad throw % since arriving in the NFL.  His ball placement often leaves a lot to be desired often. 

Renfrow is tiny.  Tiny wingspan.  So it's really going to highlight the fact Bryce doesn't really put the best balls out there for people w/ someone small like Renfrow. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Renfrow has terrible chemistry with Bryce. Not sure what is up with that.

We need to stop sending Renfrow deep. He's getting open but Bryce can't hit him. Have him run those Thielen routes from the past couple years. Bryce is a lot more accurate making those short to intermediate throws and Renfrow just doesn't have the catch radius to reel in Bryce's spotty deep throws.

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I wonder if they're trying to keep Renfrow fresh by controlling his snap count???

Renfrow has played virtually the entire game both weeks 1 and 2.  I think this was just about David Moore getting XL's role.  And thus mathematically the only way to get Tremayne  work was to limit Renfrow. 

Which Renfrow probably should be limited....just not this way.   You don't want David Moore playing a full game because he stinks.  But he is Canales' dude.  Tremayne or Coker or even Horn should be working in to diversify with Renfrow in slot looks.....but you need Coker or Tremayne opposite Tmac when that happens. 

[bythenbrs]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think it is pretty simple.  Bryce has lead the NFL in bad throw % since arriving in the NFL.  His ball placement often leaves a lot to be desired often. 

Renfrow is tiny.  Tiny wingspan.  So it's really going to highlight the fact Bryce doesn't really put the best balls out there for people w/ someone small like Renfrow. 

A few more hospital balls from Bryce and Renfrow may start rethinking his decision to return to the NFL...