Not on Bryce

[MRenshaw]

On 9/29/2025 at 6:52 PM, cranky said:

So says this guy. You can't really argue against what he he's saying when he post videos to back it up. I do disagree with him when he says its not on Canales though. He calls the plays and if the receivers aren't getting open, thats on him or the OC. 

Anyway, I know a lot of you will disagree with him but it's still worth a watch.

 

 

When you cherry pick 12 plays out of 66, the film DOES lie.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

On 9/30/2025 at 8:50 AM, mrcompletely11 said:

Kyle Bailey and cohost said yesterday that they absolutely would pick up the 5th citing drew brees and sam darnold as examples but they would bring in a vet to compete.

 

Wtf are people watching?  Is this all a giant suck up to tepper.  People can point to darnold and brees but they overlook the vast wasteland of poo qbs that never worked out, mac jones, kenny pickett, zach wilson the list is endless.  Keeping bryce and hoping he turns into a top 10 qb is akin to winning the powerball, the odds are overwhelmingly against you.

 

and anyone using sam fuging darnold as an example of why we should keep bryce needs to have their head examined.  The dude has been the same player his entire fuging career.  Shows talent then mentally implodes at the faintest sign of pressure

I thought KB was out on Bryce

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

On 9/30/2025 at 9:11 AM, Jon Snow said:

Having a guy like that is desirable sure. But we will have to settle for competent until we stumble onto a guy like that. 

I think DTR is available

[ThPantherFan]

On 9/29/2025 at 7:00 PM, Jon Snow said:

No, it's not his fault he was drafted. Its not his fault he keeps being put into a position he shouldn't be in. On that I totally agree. 

Say it brother!

[SCO96]

On 9/30/2025 at 7:13 AM, Proudiddy said:

No disrespect to you, but this is exactly the point.  Then maybe you don’t trade up and draft this guy #1 and then give him three years to further run your franchise into the ground simply because you have an affinity for him as a person?  You don’t draft QBs that need to be “carried” by their team in the first round, and you definitely don’t draft them #1 overall.  And you definitely should cut your losses when you realize that’s what they are.

What’s easier?   Having a horrible QB and acquiring 10 above average players to surround him with?  Or finding even an above average QB who can make the 10 guys around him, most of whom might be average, better than they actually are?  That’s why I’ve never understood this strategy the team took by drafting him in the first place.  The amount of resources and assets it takes to accommodate him is unreal.

A couple of years ago I heard former NFL player/scout/analyst Bucky Brooks give a great talk on QB evaluation. He said that you classify most starters into two categories.

1) Wagon Pullers: These guys make everyone better as soon as they get under center. They don't have to have elite skill position players or an elite O-line. As long as the talent is average/slightly above average they'll always have you in playoff contention. If you have great talent they make the team a SB threat year in and year out

2) Need the Wagon to pull them: These guys are game managers. Some are even a notch above that. They don't make a lot of mistakes and can usually keep you in games by not turning the ball over and making timely throws when needed. However, they need ideal circumstances: The WR need to be really good; the offense needs to have an excellent O-line to produce a good running game and provide solid pass protection. They also need a solid defense that keeps the team in games because these type of QB's are not built to oversee an explosive offense week in and week out.

Bucky says you can win with both, but you have to know what you have and make sure you build a team that can work with the quarterbacks skill set. Too many players QBs in the NFL are being paid like they are wagon pullers, but they actually fall into category #2. When things aren't ideal their weaknesses quickly become evident.

At this point in his career, I'm not even sure Bryce falls into category 2. Even with ideal circumstances, I don't think he would ever be able to lead a strong downfield passing attack that could stress a defense between the hash marks, and that restricts what an offense can do against teams with strong defenses.

Edited 1 hour ago by SCO96

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

I thought KB was out on Bryce

Not sure about that, they seemed all in the other day.  As did mac and bone today.  The typical making excuses, talking about last year and pff and using Steve Young (yeah they really did go there) Baker, darnold and D Jones.  While totally overlooking the graveyard of busted qbs that never got better.  I mean just go back to 2019 and work your way to now and you will an incredible amount of flops.   But damn I cannot quit the mac and bone show its too comical to not listen to, the homerism on display is pretty damn impressive.  I mean comparing bryce to steve young is peak.

[LinvilleGorge]

57 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

A couple of years ago I heard former NFL player/scout/analyst Bucky Brooks give a great talk on QB evaluation. He said that you classify most starters into two categories.

1) Wagon Pullers: These guys make everyone better as soon as they get under center. They don't have to have elite skill position players or an elite O-line. As long as the talent is average/slightly above average they'll always have you in playoff contention. If you have great talent they make the team a SB threat year in and year out

2) Need the Wagon to pull them: These guys are game managers. Some are even a notch above that. They don't make a lot of mistakes and can usually keep you in games by not turning the ball over and making timely throws when needed. However, they need ideal circumstances: The WR need to be really good; the offense needs to have an excellent O-line to produce a good running game and provide solid pass protection. They also need a solid defense that keeps the team in games because these type of QB's are not built to oversee an explosive offense week in and week out.

Bucky says you can win with both, but you have to know what you have and make sure you build a team that can work with the quarterbacks skill set. Too many players QBs in the NFL are being paid like they are wagon pullers, but they actually fall into category #2. When things aren't ideal their weaknesses quickly become evident.

At this point in his career, I'm not even sure Bryce falls into category 2. Even with ideal circumstances, I don't think he would ever be able to lead a strong downfield passing attack that could stress a defense between the hash marks, and that restricts what an offense can do against teams with strong defenses.

Something has to give on QB pay. 17 of the top 20 and all of the top 11 contracts in the NFL are QB contracts. Damn near every starter in the league that isn't on a rookie deal is making salary cap destroying money. How many of those guys are actually delivering the level of play that warrants that? I would strongly argue that unless you have a legit MVP caliber guy you're better off investing heavily in the rest of the roster and creating a great place for a guy in a rookie contract to thrive but that's the fan perspective that wants to compete for SBs. From the front office/coaching staff standpoint they're trying to keep their jobs so it's safer to pay the hell out of that mid-tier guy than it is to roll the dice on being great. Yeah, that mid-tier guy's contract is probably gonna catch up to you and make life tough in a couple of years but that's a problem to deal with in a couple of years we gotta worry about the now right now.

That's the piece that some of these media guys advocating for picking up Bryce's option aren't grappling with. You'd be talking about spending nearly 10% of next year's cap on Bryce Young. Let me say that louder for people in the back... NEARLY 10% OF NEXT YEAR'S CAP ON BRYCE YOUNG. You absolutely cannot do that. 

[electro's horse]

21 hours ago, cranky said:

They spent 135,068,468 on offense and 93,947,983 on defense. So they are spending 1.43 times the amount on offense than defense. So yeah, they are spending more.

But compared to other teams, it's not as lopsided as you make it out to be. The Rams are spending 2.83 times more on offense than defense, the Eagles are at 2.29, the Bengals 1.6, the Falcons 1.5, the Chiefs 1.43, the Saints 1.35, the Dolfins 1.35 etc etc. 

 

Rams, chiefs, eagles, bengals, falcons and Dolphins all have qbs eating up a huge amount of the cap. The saints cap situation shouldn’t be compared to anything and requires like differential equations to figure out. 

it’s dishonest at best to compare them head to head. The panthers currently have what is supposed to be the best advantage in the NFL: a high first round qb on their rookie contract.

The panthers have thrown huge money at two guards, reupped moton, have (somehow) spent real actual money on the center position, and were even gonna pay Thielen before his wife put her foot down. 

To put this another way, what is the defensive equivalent of signing hunt and Lewis? What is the offensive equivalent to letting Shaq, Jackson, Chinn, Luvu walk?

 

Edited 42 minutes ago by electro's horse

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not sure about that, they seemed all in the other day.  As did mac and bone today.  The typical making excuses, talking about last year and pff and using Steve Young (yeah they really did go there) Baker, darnold and D Jones.  While totally overlooking the graveyard of busted qbs that never got better.  I mean just go back to 2019 and work your way to now and you will an incredible amount of flops.   But damn I cannot quit the mac and bone show its too comical to not listen to, the homerism on display is pretty damn impressive.  I mean comparing bryce to steve young is peak.

Steve young??? Holy smokes