Mike kaye and josh graham on panthers issues

[raleigh-panther]

better to listen but this my brief summary. Panthers discussion about 8 mins of this video

mike kaye is around the team and mint st  ill take hos  word over others  

1. Panthers Not able to carry over operationally from 2024 or is a concern 

2. still trying to figure themselves out after  21 games in the Canales era 

3. Issue Young cannot consistently elevate the product around him 

4. on Young,  overarching issues were  not on young but yet to see he could carry a team. Given that,   Is it worth picking up 5th year contract    Could be young needs change of scenery and panthers need a new qb 

5  discussion of personnel issues etc

6  lot of the approaches are half baked and contradictory 

 

[HPPantherzfan]

He should have just came and said what a lot of us on here have already said, your right, they are terrified of throwing the ball down field, why is that?  Just say it!  I have never seen an NFL player, let alone an NFL QB coddled so much, it’s sickening.  But at least he did have the balls to say Bryce can’t elevate a team.  I honestly believe the approach being half baked and contradictory is because they can’t figure out exactly what they have in the QB position, Frank couldn’t figure out what to do with him either.  At some point the excuses has to stop for this guy chalk it up as an expensive loss and move on!

[cranky]

Good video. Brought up some good points - most of which has been talked about ad nauseum around here already. I am with him when he talks about how he's surprised the progress the offense showed in the second half of last year is completely gone so far this year.  I had high hopes for them based off of those last 10 games as well but so far, it's not there. Don't know why but it isn't.

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, HPPantherzfan said:

He should have just came and said what a lot of us on here have already said, your right, they are terrified of throwing the ball down field, why is that?  Just say it!  I have never seen an NFL player, let alone an NFL QB coddled so much, it’s sickening.  But at least he did have the balls to say Bryce can’t elevate a team.  I honestly believe the approach being half baked and contradictory is because they can’t figure out exactly what they have in the QB position, Frank couldn’t figure out what to do with him either.  At some point the excuses has to stop for this guy chalk it up as an expensive loss and move on!

This is it in a nutshell. The only thing they do know is there's no way they should pick up his 5th year option. That is an absolute proven fact. They shouldn't even debate it. Its completely off the table. They better be scouting every qb option available in the coming offseason. 

[electro's horse]

if a charlotte observer writer is now criticizing bryce and canales, as tepid as the criticism is, that's an ominous sign. 

[electro's horse]

why is anyone holding on to this "change of scenery" bullshith with bryce

just say he can't play

no one was saying The Golden Calf of Bristol needed a change of scenery; he just got invited to Patriots camp as a fug you to reporters then faded away. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

if a charlotte observer writer is now criticizing bryce and canales, as tepid as the criticism is, that's an ominous sign. 

kaye has always been way more critical of the panthers then the past observer writers.  I love his style

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

if a charlotte observer writer is now criticizing bryce and canales, as tepid as the criticism is, that's an ominous sign. 

How could it not be. There's only so much blame for this mess you can place on Young. When things outside of and not remotely related to the qb start to stand out, Charlotte we have a problem. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Picking up the option on Bryce's contract would be absolutely insane. Dumping another $26M guaranteed into this failed experiment would be the dumbest thing we could do.

[mav1234]

This is a pretty good commentary, though I think the whole comment on contradictory approaches glosses over / ignores the obvious: Canales is in not in charge of personnel outside the offense, and Bryce is SEVERELY limiting what they can do.

[electro's horse]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Picking up the option on Bryce's contract would be absolutely insane. Dumping another $26M guaranteed into this failed experiment would be the dumbest thing we could do.

There’s no fuging way

You’d think Bryce would be smart enough to say the right things about competition and excited to earn the spot blah blah blah, but when he was benched last year his camp started feeding rumors to Russini that teams wanted to trade for him. 

He's a messy little entitled bitch and he’ll go down kicking and screaming for sure. 

[KSpan]

It all hinges on the initial conversations between Tepper and Canales. Did canales swear he could fix Bryce and produce, or did Tepper tell him to try and that if it didn't work out he would get a shot with his own guy?

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Picking up the option on Bryce's contract would be absolutely insane. Dumping another $26M guaranteed into this failed experiment would be the dumbest thing we could do.

Then you have to trade him, letting him simply play out his 4rth year and the letting him walk would be colossally moronic if that is what they are suggesting.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Then you have to trade him, letting him simply play out his 4rth year and the letting him walk would be colossally moronic if that is what they are suggesting.

For what? Other teams watch these games too. Who is trading anything for Bryce Young knowing they're gonna be on the hook for $26M guaranteed?