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Any well functioning team benches Bryce


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5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

One of the things I hate most about Bryce is how all these “big drives” require like multiple fourth down conversions, a bailout dpi, defenders not making tackles, etc. 

Like bro this is a dolphins team that might not win another game this season why does every drive feel like the Normandy scene from saving private Ryan 

Get used to it. Thats how it's going to be with him behind center until someone else takes over. 

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58 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

God forbid a QB gets help from a supporting cast lol. 

Help? My guy...I think you are confusing that with CARRIED. He puts them in the hole because he can't contribute anything positive until later when everybody else climbs us out the hole then he finally makes a play here and there to help win a game. 

He is the reaper of his own team.

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19 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Showing signs of what? Belonging in the league?

tyranny of low expectations 

Nah just showing signs of being serviceable. 
 

It’s not impossible to say that he wouldn’t make a good backup QB. A starter no, that’s clear.

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5 hours ago, Donald LaFell said:

Totally agree. Enjoying the win but benching Bryce could really give this team a shot in the arm. 

and whom are you going to put in place of him at this moment. Hooker? We all know Andy is done and just a shadow of himself. 

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Bryce getting credit for putting out a house fire he started? 

No. Young is not a NFL QB. His ceiling is a back up.

But I do agree with not benching him. Give him the season then move on.

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Until the team turns on him you cannot bench him. Judging by the way they pulled his ass out of the fire today they are still behind him. I'm not sure they will much longer though if he continues to put them in the hole every game. 

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9 minutes ago, cmichd08 said:

and whom are you going to put in place of him at this moment. Hooker? We all know Andy is done and just a shadow of himself. 

It’s a good question I’m just so tired of not trusting the same guy who has shown he’s not capable. The team showed up to play today and Young almost squandered their effort. 
 

It’s far more likely Young shits the bed next week especially if it’s on the road. There’s no potential left to unlock. I’m just so tired of it. I’m tired of waiting for him to turn the ball over or panic, or both. 

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13 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Bryce getting credit for putting out a house fire he started? 

No. Young is not a NFL QB. His ceiling is a back up.

But I do agree with not benching him. Give him the season then move on.

I’m fine with him playing unless he skids so bad it hurts the development of the existing roster. At some point I would think tanking every year is worse than actually trying to build a winning organization. 

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5 hours ago, CarolinaSock said:

He didn't lead them to a win, Rico and the defense did.

No he didn't lead them to a win but that last drive he quarterbacked them to a win. Remember the defense did give Miami the lead again. The only way to win it was by touchdown and by the time they got the ball they didn't have much time left to get within FG range. Do we need another QB. Yes, but till we can get another QB he is the best on the roster.

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5 hours ago, Billy Goat said:

He played bad in that first quarter, but you can't bench him after leading the team to a win after being 17-0 down.

Although the reason it was close was because of his turnovers, he did lead a game winning drive. He will be the quarterback at least for the duration of his rookie contract. I don’t see the Panthers drafting a quarterback this year. Maybe next. 

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