Eight of Bryce Young's nine wins have come off game-winning drives

[mrcompletely11]

12 hours ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

90% of the huddle can tell the coaches and gm the obvious 

Lewis told dc to run to the left as well.  Just like the huddle

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

GWDs vs...

• HOU: 15 - 13, no turnovers
• ATL: 9 - 7, no turnovers
• NO: 23 - 22, 1 interception
• NYG: 20 - 17, no turnovers
• ARI: 36 - 30, no turnovers
• @ATL: 44 - 38, no turnovers
• MIA: 27 - 24, 1 interception + 1 fumble
• DAL: 30 - 27, 1 interception (that was clearly TMac's fault)

Which one of those games was Bryce clearly the reason that the team was behind aside from Miami?

the reason? or a reason? 

he is a reason, a lot of the time.  He is a role player.  And as a role player, we largely get a very low ceiling of offensive production from the QB  spot and passing game most weeks.  That's been a pretty consistent aspect as of the Bryce Young era. 

If the offense has zero TDs on the day and a football game is won off of 3 FGs (9 points).....I'd say Bryce Young has a LOT to do with being in that scenario lol 

and the entire point, is countering the implication that Young is somehow more clutch or better than Cam or Jake in pressure moments.  Which is absurd.  Bryce just lives in losing scenarios late. Every single week.  Which wasn't Cam or Jake.   Where essentially any game the Panthers find a way to win will log as a GWD because Bryce Young teams are always down in the 4th (factually speaking).....even if Bryce is a spectator largely in the win. 

 

 

 

 

[45catfan]

20 hours ago, TN05 said:

2023

• 15-13 over Houston
• 9-7 over Atlanta

2024

• 23-22 over New Orleans
• 20-17 over NYG
• 36-30 over Arizona
• 44-38 over Atlanta

2025

• 27-24 over Miami
• 30-27 over Dallas

He already has almost halfway as many GWDs as Cam (17) and Delhomme (22).

Yes, and only one comfortable win.  So we either lose or barely squeak out a victory 99% of the time.  Brilliant!

 

Edited 5 hours ago by 45catfan

[CRA]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

are we really calling the giants game last year a game winning drive like come on

I mean, if the AZ game where Hubbard ran for literally all the yards on the winning drive counts....why not the Giants game? 

[electro's horse]

39 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, if the AZ game where Hubbard ran for literally all the yards on the winning drive counts....why not the Giants game? 

I think icege is just doing it to be irritating at this point. 

Like maybe if the qb can manage more than 160 yards passing you dont need overtime to beat the 2024 New York giants.

[WUnderhill]

I remember how beloved the cardiac cats were when they leaned on the run game and seemed like every win was on the final drive and we were all holding our breath. Too bad that’s not good enough for some of you. I’d take it.

[Icege]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

the reason? or a reason? 

he is a reason, a lot of the time.  He is a role player.  And as a role player, we largely get a very low ceiling of offensive production from the QB  spot and passing game most weeks.  That's been a pretty consistent aspect as of the Bryce Young era. 

If the offense has zero TDs on the day and a football game is won off of 3 FGs (9 points).....I'd say Bryce Young has a LOT to do with being in that scenario lol 

and the entire point, is countering the implication that Young is somehow more clutch or better than Cam or Jake in pressure moments.  Which is absurd.  Bryce just lives in losing scenarios late. Every single week.  Which wasn't Cam or Jake.   Where essentially any game the Panthers find a way to win will log as a GWD because Bryce Young teams are always down in the 4th (factually speaking).....even if Bryce is a spectator largely in the win. 

 

 

 

 

So just the Atlanta game with the 9-6 score and the recent one vs Miami are Bryce's fault that the team was behind?

In a game where JD DiRenzo and Nash Jensen took nearly 40 snaps combined at RG? With DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, and Stephen Sullivan as his weapons and still going 18/24 (75%)? Where the OL couldn't win with Chuba on 4th & 1 and gave up three sacks?

That one is completely on Bryce putting the team in a hole to start?

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, Icege said:

So just the Atlanta game with the 9-6 score and the recent one vs Miami are Bryce's fault that the team was behind?

In a game where JD DiRenzo and Nash Jensen took nearly 40 snaps combined at RG? With DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, and Stephen Sullivan as his weapons and still going 18/24 (75%)? Where the OL couldn't win with Chuba on 4th & 1 and gave up three sacks?

That one is completely on Bryce putting the team in a hole to start?

No, not just the Atlanta game.  I don’t feel the need to go through every game and point out BY had measly 126 yards vs the Giants and the D and kicker won it in overtime. 

Bryce Young overall has been a reason and often big reason why the Panthers have trailed in the 4th quarter in literally every single game of his entire career….minus one game. 

and again, the entire point is addressing the suggestion BY is somehow more clutch than Jake and Cam because of his GWD numbers. Thats dumb.  And that is what we are ultimately addressing here 

BY isn’t even on track to be the 3rd best QB in Panther history.  Not even close.  Bringing up Cam and Jake is blasphemy and almost anti-Panthering in the name of stan-ing for BY. 

[SCO96]

Does anyone have a stat on how many points per game the Panthers average when Bryce is starting?

[frankw]

2 hours ago, electro's horse said:

I think icege is just doing it to be irritating at this point. 

He just gets satisfaction from being an unwavering sycophant like he's going to get an unknown reward after it's all said and done. He went off the deep end the same way over Teddy Bridgewater.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Does anyone have a stat on how many points per game the Panthers average when Bryce is starting?

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[jfra78]

Wonder what bryces stats are under center vs shotgun.

[SCO96]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/total/table/passing/sort/totalPointsPerGame/dir/desc

Click in the link above and go to the last column on the right (Points per game). If you click on it you can display the stats from highest to lowest or lowest to highest. The Falcons are 2-2 and are averaging 19.0 points a game. No team under that has a winning record.

That should show everyone why BY is 9-25 as a starter. You'll never have a winning record in this league if you can't average over 20 points per game.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/total/table/passing/sort/totalPointsPerGame/dir/desc

Click in the link above and go to the last column on the right (Points per game). If you click on it you can display the stats from highest to lowest or lowest to highest. The Falcons are 2-2 and are averaging 19.0 points a game. No team under that has a winning record.

That should show everyone why BY is 9-25 as a starter. You'll never have a winning record in this league if you can't average over 20 points per game.

We're currently averaging 22 PPG for the season. The run game has been a huge part of that in a historical context.

As far as the passing game we are 27th in passing yards per game. Last year we were 30th. The year before that in Bryce's rookie season we were 32 out of 32.

We've seen with our own eyes that we have young receivers capable of making the big plays now. The weapons are there. They might not be perfect but they are there that shouldn't be under dispute. Sooner or later we're going to have to be able to open up the passing game to win games and that will require Bryce Young to buck the trend of low passing output that has been consistent much more often than not across the 35 career games he's played in.