Bryce's Achilles Heel Is Not What You Think It Is

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

In your opinion, in what year do the excuses stop for bryce?  I mean the most expensive line in football, a top tier rb, 2 first round wr's.  So tell me at what point do you simply just accept he isnt a good nfl qb?

This is what I want to know. We spent a ton of assets to get Bryce and we've done the right thing by him in investing tons of assets in trying to put an OL in front of him and weapons around him and the best we've seen is mid-tier starter type play and even that only erratically. So far, this season is looking like the worst case scenario. Bryce keeps doing just enough to keep the organization clinging to hope. All I wanted out of Bryce this year was boom or bust, anything other than mid.

We need teams to adjust to our newfound dominant running game so that we can get that. I fully expect Bryce to regress again once we don't have best in the league RB play behind him but with this soft patch of scheduling I'm afraid he's gonna be able to do just enough to leave the organization still clinging to hope. Just please prove me wrong and be that guy or go back to faceplanting. This stuck on purgatory stuff has to stop.

[PNW_PantherMan]

52 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We need teams to adjust to our newfound dominant running game so that we can get that. I fully expect Bryce to regress again once we don't have best in the league RB play behind him

In some other thread, Juan posted a video clip where the guy said no back has produced as much as Dowdle the last 2 weeks since 2011 when LeVeon Bell did it.  Dowdle's production the past two weeks is essentially historic.

[Cpt slay a ho]

9 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

Again. Who on this roster is known for getting deep. Throwing deep ain’t all about the QB. Why you think Patrick stop throwing down field when they had roster changes. Team game. 

it’s not all about getting deep more so taking shots when your wideout has 1v1 coverage, let’s not even mention Pats name, he’s never struggled as much as Bryce to eclipse 200 yards per game on a week to week basis 

I’m sorry but a deep threat isn’t the reason he’s consistently below 200 yards week in and out , that’s a cop out, our wr core ain’t the top but it’s not so bad that a 200+ passing game in 2025 is a rarity 

 

[frankw]

23 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

In some other thread, Juan posted a video clip where the guy said no back has produced as much as Dowdle the last 2 weeks since 2011 when LeVeon Bell did it.  Dowdle's production the past two weeks is essentially historic.

No matter where one may fall on their opinion of Bryce's viability as a long term starter most should be able to acknowledge it is very hard to ignore the fact that Bryce's best performances are virtually all centered around unsustainable circumstances.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

Again. Who on this roster is known for getting deep. Throwing deep ain’t all about the QB. Why you think Patrick stop throwing down field when they had roster changes. Team game. 

Do you honestly think we traded all these assets to draft Bryce #1 to get a guy who peaks at mid-tier game manager? Hell no. We thought we were getting Patrick. Now plenty of us pointed out all the red flags in Bryce's measurables and play style as to why that wouldn't be the case but alas...

[Cpt slay a ho]

Here’s a fair question, what exactly does Bryce excel at ??

what from Bryce young’s game up until now warrants a 1st overall draft pick ?

Sidenote, already been mentioned but do not sleep on rattler, saints suck but not because of him 

[SmokinwithWilly]

10 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Here’s a fair question, what exactly does Bryce excel at ??

what from Bryce young’s game up until now warrants a 1st overall draft pick ?

Sidenote, already been mentioned but do not sleep on rattler, saints suck but not because of him 

I hear he's excellent at breaking down a play over a Caesar salad. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Here’s a fair question, what exactly does Bryce excel at ??

what from Bryce young’s game up until now warrants a 1st overall draft pick ?

Sidenote, already been mentioned but do not sleep on rattler, saints suck but not because of him 

Handing the ball off 

[AceBoogie]

Yall are going to hate life when big money Bryce signs that extension. Why not go find a new team now? 

[AceBoogie]

15 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Do you honestly think we traded all these assets to draft Bryce #1 to get a guy who peaks at mid-tier game manager? Hell no. We thought we were getting Patrick. Now plenty of us pointed out all the red flags in Bryce's measurables and play style as to why that wouldn't be the case but alas...

Patrick sat a year and had Andy Reid and a hall of fame TE. What has Bryce had? He got nothing but dysfunction his first year. Had a short leash his second year but bounced back and played like a top 10 QB down the stretch. He’s been up and down this year but overall pretty solid. Dave himself is learning on the job, so is the OC, so is the #1 WR, Bryce is younger than Bo Nix. Just calm down he and we will be fine. Just a young squad that needs time to grow up. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

8 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Patrick sat a year and had Andy Reid and a hall of fame TE. What has Bryce had? He got nothing but dysfunction his first year. Had a short leash his second year but bounced back and played like a top 10 QB down the stretch. He’s been up and down this year but overall pretty solid. Dave himself is learning on the job, so is the OC, so is the #1 WR, Bryce is younger than Bo Nix. Just calm down he and we will be fine. Just a young squad that needs time to grow up. 

Then if he needs time to grow up and he is going to sign an extension in needs to be a 3 year, 20m AAV. He doesn't deserve to get paid like a top 10 QB right now because he's not. Daniel Jones is getting 14m and is playing top notch football. 

He may have had some better games, but his mechanics and footwork are still terrible when he feels any pressure, real or not. When he feels good, he steps into his throws like he should. When he doesn't, it's that body squared up or jumping arm toss or tip toe lob. His fumbling is a huge problem. He cant run QB sneaks. He cant really play from under center because his drop backs are terrible and he needs to be far back to get enough gapping to see the field. That's not top 10 QB contract worthy. 

And let's not pretend that Bryce is some victim in all of this. Remember him packing on 20 lbs before the combine for the weigh in and walking around in a hoodie the entire time or practicing that S2 test that no one has mentioned before or since so he'd have better results, or riding that hype train like the wheels weren't ever going to fall off. Stroud got roasted and torn apart because of a "leaked" S2 result. He was being portrayed as an idiot while Bryce was being portrayed as a savant. All Stroud ever said was watch me play football. He proved his point. 

Bryce did everything he could to make himself the number 1 overall pick and when that happens, guess where you're going? To a bad team, likely with a new coach and it's probably going to be full of dysfunction especially if the owner is Dave Tepper.

But the real dysfunction came because Bryce wasn't Reich's choice for QB. He wanted Stroud because Stroud fit the type of offense he ran better than Bryce ever could. That's why he lost interest as soon as he was drafted. He was forced to play Bryce when it was obvious he wasn't ready to show off Tepper's shiny new draft pick. No HC is going to come to a team when he gets no choice over who he has as a QB to build around and he has to reinvent the wheel when the easiest thing to do was just buy the wheel that fit to begin with. Tepper lied to Reich all the way up until draft day, then he made that pick. Then Reich checked out, and i don't blame him one bit. And I'll be clear, I didn't want Reich. I wanted Steichen because of what he's doing in Indy or Ryans because I thought he would make one hell of a leader and HC. 

Reich was a HC with no control over his own team. I put the majority of what's gone wrong involving Bryce on Tepper. The trade gave up too much in picks and DJ to build around him, we had a horrid GM who couldn't draft or build a roster, a QB forced to play before he's ready, an owner that thinks he knows more than football people. 
 

There's a lot of moving pieces in all of this, but we cant pay Bryce 50m AAV at the end of this season while he figures it out, and the 5th year doesnt make sense either if we're a run heavy offense with Bryce as game manager. You dont need a 30m, 5th year option QB for that. If he's not there developmentally, he's not there. 

Unfortunately, there isnt time to just calm down. He plays like a game manager this year and we have to move on. You dont give game managers huge contracts behind the highest paid oline in football, especially when you need to sign your LT. Any journeyman can give us Bryce level results for 15m less per year. Just the way it is. If there was more time, maybe. Unfortunately there isn't. Just the way it is. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

Patrick sat a year and had Andy Reid and a hall of fame TE. What has Bryce had? He got nothing but dysfunction his first year. Had a short leash his second year but bounced back and played like a top 10 QB down the stretch. He’s been up and down this year but overall pretty solid. Dave himself is learning on the job, so is the OC, so is the #1 WR, Bryce is younger than Bo Nix. Just calm down he and we will be fine. Just a young squad that needs time to grow up. 

No amount of sitting or aging is going to fix Bryce's lack of physical ability. This was the concern about Bryce. The plus side was that he was supposed to be super NFL ready. The downside was that his ceiling was relatively limited and that he might already be about as good as he's ever going to get. And now we have Panthers fans trying to pretend like he was some type of project.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

Yall are going to hate life when big money Bryce signs that extension. Why not go find a new team now? 

you going to cry when he gets traded?

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No amount of sitting or aging is going to fix Bryce's lack of physical ability. This was the concern about Bryce. The plus side was that he was supposed to be super NFL ready. The downside was that his ceiling was relatively limited and that he might already be about as good as he's ever going to get. And now we have Panthers fans trying to pretend like he was some type of project.

year 3 and still nothing but excuses, if he is here next season I suspect its more of the same "Where are his weapons, they havent invested in anything for bryce, this roster sucks!!1!11!!!111!"