Kaye: Panthers not likely to be "sellers" at trade deadline

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 hours ago, Candler Cat said:

Well we excell at doing what makes no sense

Ain't that the fuging truth.

[kungfoodude]

We don't have a lot of assets that most will want. The bulk that we so are basically no fly zones. 

I get the want to make upgrades but there are not likely to be cheap and available upgrades at a reasonable cost. It's possible but not probable.

[Aussie Tank]

I'd like to be a buyer of a Jets or Dolphins pass rusher even if we're not sellers 

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can't sign on to trading Hubbard while I believe he still isn't fully healthy (so can't be properly evaluated) and Dowdle is only on a one-year deal. 

Also don't trust in Brooks at all.

I see that,but my focus is broader, which changes the logic (unless I am missing something here).  If you like Rico and trade Hubbard, you don't have to let Rico go--you could sign him, have Etienne and Brooks and maybe even a late round draft pick--but you get an ILB, which is our biggest weakness--which is my point.  If you isolate your focus on RB only and you focus on next year, it makes little sense to trade Hubbard--to me, you upgrade LB right now and you have RBs.  I think we are constantly in rebuild or build mode, we don't think like those seeking rings.   What helps us more--(and I am not sure about Hubbard's trade value, which was part of your point)--a backup RB (solid but still a backup right now) or a starting ILB?  Which player fills our needs?  So I could argue your point, but there are other perspectives that should be considered if you broaden the scope.  It is not a no-brainer--lotta variables.

Edited October 31 by MHS831

[MHS831]

I think a pass rusher would be hard to get--so I have not mentioned it.  i also think that our two young OLBs are showing some signs.  It is tough to figure out.  Is it scheme?  Are we predictable?  However, I don't see us upgrading by adding a Reddick (sheer luck) by next week.  

 

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I'd like to be a buyer of a Jets or Dolphins pass rusher even if we're not sellers 

Depends on price, IMO. Good fits but it would need to be for a relative bargain and/or with a plan to retain(mainly with Phillips).

Chubb is injury prone, 29 and has 2 years left at roughly $20 mil(real cost to us, not including prorated money). None of this money is guaranteed, however. 

Philips is 26 and on an expiring $13.5 mil deal.

Chubb would probably be easier to obtain, although potentially a cap suck if he gets injured again.

Philips would potentially be more expensive to acquire and a risk if you aren't able to immediately sign him to an extension. 

Chubb could be the bigger, cheaper gamble with an easy exit strategy.

Phillips could be a long term solution but also potentially leave you holding the bag if he REALLY doesn't want to return and skips out this offseason(minus the tag). He is also in his prime as a player.

 

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think a pass rusher would be hard to get--so I have not mentioned it.  i also think that our two young OLBs are showing some signs.  It is tough to figure out.  Is it scheme?  Are we predictable?  However, I don't see us upgrading by adding a Reddick (sheer luck) by next week.  

 

I would also hate to see us dump any picks in the top 3 rounds. Those are just too valuable to trade for a team so incredibly far away from being a contender.

Even if Scourton and Umanmielen are just basically better version of Jones/Wonnum, I still want them to keep getting the bulk of the reps. Jones/Wonnum are just middle of the road rotational players. Perhaps Scourton/Umanmielen end up being better.

[strato]

Well those guys have a shot to be much better players 12 months from now. We should just ride with what we have. 

[frankw]

There's also the reality that we've been trading away players consistently the last few years and ultimately it hasn't helped. Many of them have looked even better.

Just let it play out and revisit.

[kungfoodude]

24 minutes ago, strato said:

Well those guys have a shot to be much better players 12 months from now. We should just ride with what we have. 

I am not convinced there will be dramatic difference makers available, especially with such large coaching issues on both sides of the ball.

Still, hopefully Dan is doing due diligence.

Edited October 31 by kungfoodude

[strato]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not convinced there will be dramatic difference makers available, especially with such large coaching issues on both sides of the ball.

Still, hopefully Dan is doing due diligence.

Bottom of the roster churn would be okay with me. If some trades are made some people will be waived/released. 
 

I was citing something in my SEC does not equal NFL arguments a couple of years back and it is the difference one year of NFL and the following offseason do for players. 
These guys are not going to be college players if they do it right, year two. 

Edited October 31 by strato

[Panthercougar68]

Arden Key being a healthy scratch is the player to watch 

[Khyber53]

21 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can't sign on to trading Hubbard while I believe he still isn't fully healthy (so can't be properly evaluated) and Dowdle is only on a one-year deal. 

Also don't trust in Brooks at all.

This 

Also, on this team right now, I think you need some kind of consistency builder. Giving Chuba a second contract and then trading him away so early in it doesn't look great in a locker room for a team trying to build an identity. 

 

Edited November 1 by Khyber53

[Tr3ach]

21 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can't sign on to trading Hubbard while I believe he still isn't fully healthy (so can't be properly evaluated) and Dowdle is only on a one-year deal. 

Also don't trust in Brooks at all.

I get what you're saying to an extent, but bringing in Rico on a cheap deal and his performance so far kind of shows why you might trade Chubba, or at least why you dont give rb big deals.  Its not that all uncommon to find solid rbs on the scrap heap.   The only time having a great rb longterm really helps is when you are a great team already.