Why do people think Bryce Young won this game yesterday?

[kungfoodude]

On 11/3/2025 at 8:19 AM, RumHam said:

Are these same accounts on Twitter just comment farmers for drawing up attention?

Bryce Young was hidden yesterday. This poo is driving me nuts.

He can't throw down field. Canales gameplan won this game. Had he done the SAME THING LAST WEEK, we'd be 6-3.

This team is relying on the run much like it did under Wilks. Sam Darnold was that QB that was hidden that season, now it's Bryce.

Bryce will never throw for over 200 yards again.

Yes, he made some good "plays" and had plenty of terrible throws again. 

The only reason the offense is anything this year is Rico. And it's not much.

Also the narrative of the Panthers being a bad team needs to stop. If we make the playoffs the Rams will hang 50 on us, but we aren't a bad team anymore.

Bryce Young fuging sucks. If we had a competent QB or even Cam Ward, we win this 30-3.

A few things:

- Delete Twatter. It's poison.

- Had we done this last week, it's POSSIBLE we would have won. Stopping Cook was a tall order.

- Young never throwing for over 200 again is just not logical. He had a 300+ game this season so although he only throws for over 200 yards in about a third of his career games, he does do it. Just not nearly enough 

- I think we have some evidence we aren't a bad team. I don't think we are a good team at all, either. 

[Mage]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Trevor Lawrence has had multiple seasons throwing for 3.5-4k yards.  He's not the generational talent people thought but he also isn't terrible.

Trevor Lawrence 2025 - 59.7 CMP%, 9 TDs (3.1%), 6 INTs (2.0%), 6.3 Y/A, 79.7 QB Rating

Trevor Lawrence 2024 - 60.6 CMP%, 11 TDs (3.9%), 7 INTs (2.5%), 7.2 Y/A, 85 QB Rating

Bryce Young 2025 - 61.1 CMP%, 11 TDs (4.5%), 6 INTs (2.5%), 5.7 Y/A, 81.5 QB Rating

Bryce Young 2024 - 60.9 CMP%, 15 TDs (3.9%), 9 INTs (2.3%), 6.3 Y/A, 82.2 QB Rating

Both QBs have a huge fumbling problem so that is a wash.

Is Lawrence better than Bryce?  I would say so, yeah.  But I don't think the gap is as big as you think it is.  If Bryce is the 32nd best QB, Lawrence is what, 28th?

[X-Clown]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Bryce Young isn’t a bust, the Panthers are | SB Nation https://share.google/oYybGvyvzUOIgbplX

From a couple months back, came up on a quick Google about Bryce Youngs processing ability. Emphases how struggles are not his fault but the poor team built around him.

I don't really feel like looking for others; it's similar to various things said across the league.

To be fair that was written by James Dator who is a Panther fan and wrote for cat scratch reader for years. He’s known for some legendarily bad homerish takes on the team. This is one of the first ones that popped up when I googled him…

 

 

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Trevor Lawrence has had multiple seasons throwing for 3.5-4k yards.  He's not the generational talent people thought but he also isn't terrible.

TBH, Trevor has been pretty bad. Not Bryce bad but he is securely a bottom third starting QB.

Not what you want for your "generational talent" QB.

If you ignore costs associated with obtaining, Lawrence has arguably been a bigger bust than Bryce.

With the costs factored, that's a much more complex argument.

[Mage]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think you're significantly underselling how bad Bryce has been.

You think so?  I feel I have been steadfast that I think Bryce Young is a bad QB.  He sucks.

But so has Lawrence for the last two seasons.  Quite frankly I don't know how you can call him a mid-tier QB.  Off the top of my head, who are you saying he is better than right now?

In no order:

Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow

Prescott, Goff, Love, Stafford

Hurts, healthy Purdy, Darnold, Baker

Healthy Jayden Daniels, Maye, Herbert, Jones

Stroud, Nix, Caleb Williams, Rodgers

That's 19 QBs right there.  Maybe you take him over Jones in the grand scheme of things?  But certainly not this year.  Heck are we taking him over Kyler Murray?  That would be 20 right there.  And who says someone like Jaxon Dart isn't already on the same level?  I'll hesitate on calling Dart better overall because he needs more games under his belt, but would you disagree that Dart has outplayed T-Law this year?  That would make it 21 QBs outplaying him this year.

 

[mrcompletely11]

18 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Okay, I'm going to take a controversial stance here... maybe.

I think that we are told constantly that the QB is the most important player on a football team. And many times, that is true. They can make a team or break a team.

But what if the QB is just one of the cogs that makes the team work. Like the computer in a car, it doesn't run the engine, it just sends the electricity/fuel/torque where it needs to go at that minute. It feeds this, then that, this, then that again as needed. If a team is run with this mindset, and the QB is just there to feed the ball to this RB, to make sure the play gets in to all the guys on the field, to make some last moment adjustments and make some throws to open receivers, then it all works.

It's game management, it's playing point guard, it's the pivot point. And, well, Bryce has been doing that. He's mostly been trying to let others do their jobs and stay out of their way. And, like it or not, the kid has shown remarkable resilience when the game is on the line. He suddenly gets tough and focused. 

Nope, he's not turning in the stats to make the fans cheer. He's not throwing precision strike bombs every third play. But he's somehow there, making his contribution. He's not a star, but he's not bad either.

And that makes it tough on the fanbase. It's hard to get behind him and cheer him on. Even though he's been behind center for one of our best seasons at the midpoint in a long time. Maybe he has a breakout game and passes for over 300 yards and 3 TDs. Maybe he completely collapses in a five turnover, seven sack game. Maybe he just keeps handing the ball off and making some decent mid-level throws when needed. Who knows?

But I will say this. The kid that got just thrown into the bench from that sideline smash early in the Green Bay game got up like a helluva man and went back out and competed. Stats and stature aside, the guy ain't a pushover. And you've got to respect that.

How can you come to the conclusion that he isnt "bad".  He is one of the worst qbs in the nfl, the stats show this

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

TBH, Trevor has been pretty bad. Not Bryce bad but he is securely a bottom third starting QB.

Not what you want for your "generational talent" QB.

Trevor is also damaged goods and hasn’t recovered from playing through his injury that one year.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

Trevor is also damaged goods and hasn’t recovered from playing through his injury that one year.

I don't think he really has ever adjusted to the NFL and I have long running concerns that he doesn't actually have NFL level drive.

[mav1234]

7 minutes ago, Mage said:

Trevor Lawrence 2025 - 59.7 CMP%, 9 TDs (3.1%), 6 INTs (2.0%), 6.3 Y/A, 79.7 QB Rating

Trevor Lawrence 2024 - 60.6 CMP%, 11 TDs (3.9%), 7 INTs (2.5%), 7.2 Y/A, 85 QB Rating

Bryce Young 2025 - 61.1 CMP%, 11 TDs (4.5%), 6 INTs (2.5%), 5.7 Y/A, 81.5 QB Rating

Bryce Young 2024 - 60.9 CMP%, 15 TDs (3.9%), 9 INTs (2.3%), 6.3 Y/A, 82.2 QB Rating

Both QBs have a huge fumbling problem so that is a wash.

Is Lawrence better than Bryce?  I would say so, yeah.  But I don't think the gap is as big as you think it is.  If Bryce is the 32nd best QB, Lawrence is what, 28th?

It's particularly telling you leave out 2023 and choose Lawrence's injured year. By no means do I think he's a great QB, but ... Career to date stats -

Trevor Lawrence - 62.9% completion percentage, 230 YPG, 3.4% TDs, 2.2% INTs, 6.7 Y/A, total of 1.36 TDs per game (including rushing)

Bryce Young - 60.4% completion percentage, 175 YPG, 3.2% TD, 2.2% INTs, 5.8 Y/A, total of 1.18 TDs per game (including rushing)

There is no category in which Bryce is better across his career to date.  Lawrence is a lower end starter. Bryce may not even reach that bar.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Mage said:

You think so?  I feel I have been steadfast that I think Bryce Young is a bad QB.  He sucks.

But so has Lawrence for the last two seasons.  Quite frankly I don't know how you can call him a mid-tier QB.  Off the top of my head, who are you saying he is better than right now?

In no order:

Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow

Prescott, Goff, Love, Stafford

Hurts, healthy Purdy, Darnold, Baker

Healthy Jayden Daniels, Maye, Herbert, Jones

Stroud, Nix, Caleb Williams, Rodgers

That's 19 QBs right there.  Maybe you take him over Jones in the grand scheme of things?  But certainly not this year.  Heck are we taking him over Kyler Murray?  That would be 20 right there.  And who says someone like Jaxon Dart isn't already on the same level?  I'll hesitate on calling Dart better overall because he needs more games under his belt, but would you disagree that Dart has outplayed T-Law this year?  That would make it 21 QBs outplaying him this year.

 

I don't disagree. When I say "mid-tier" I'm thinking roughly in thirds. Yeah, Lawrence is probably near the bottom of that "mid" third. Nowhere near worth either his draft status nor his current contract.

But Bryce is near the bottom of that bottom third.

[Mage]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

It's particularly telling you leave out 2023 and choose Lawrence's injured year. By no means do I think he's a great QB, but ... Career to date stats -

Trevor Lawrence - 62.9% completion percentage, 230 YPG, 3.4% TDs, 2.2% INTs, 6.7 Y/A, total of 1.36 TDs per game (including rushing)

Bryce Young - 60.4% completion percentage, 175 YPG, 3.2% TD, 2.2% INTs, 5.8 Y/A, total of 1.18 TDs per game (including rushing)

There is no category in which Bryce is better across his career to date.  Lawrence is a lower end starter. Bryce may not even reach that bar.

Choose whatever stats across whatever amount of time you want.  The difference is still almost negligible.

Yes, Lawrence > Bryce.  But Lawrence still sucks.

Edited 3 hours ago by Mage

[mav1234]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

TBH, Trevor has been pretty bad. Not Bryce bad but he is securely a bottom third starting QB.

Not what you want for your "generational talent" QB.

If you ignore costs associated with obtaining, Lawrence has arguably been a bigger bust than Bryce.

With the costs factored, that's a much more complex argument.

I'd say he's definitely in the bottom half of starting QBs and maybe bottom third. But I don't really care if his label was generational talent. Bryce Young's was super computer.

Lawrence wasn't a bigger bust, because he's actually produced significantly more, unless your definition of bust is not actual play but media/fan expectations - in which case, Bryce's was also very high, so I'm not really sure, and if you're talking expectations you have to talk cost because that is part of what built those expectations.

Just in terms of pure play to date, Lawrence has been significantly better than Bryce Young and has two decent seasons. Is he a good QB? I don't think so. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

Trevor Lawrence 2025 - 59.7 CMP%, 9 TDs (3.1%), 6 INTs (2.0%), 6.3 Y/A, 79.7 QB Rating

Trevor Lawrence 2024 - 60.6 CMP%, 11 TDs (3.9%), 7 INTs (2.5%), 7.2 Y/A, 85 QB Rating

Bryce Young 2025 - 61.1 CMP%, 11 TDs (4.5%), 6 INTs (2.5%), 5.7 Y/A, 81.5 QB Rating

Bryce Young 2024 - 60.9 CMP%, 15 TDs (3.9%), 9 INTs (2.3%), 6.3 Y/A, 82.2 QB Rating

Both QBs have a huge fumbling problem so that is a wash.

Is Lawrence better than Bryce?  I would say so, yeah.  But I don't think the gap is as big as you think it is.  If Bryce is the 32nd best QB, Lawrence is what, 28th?

And the problem with Bryce is the same as Lawrence. You can’t pay him to be your franchise QB when he isn’t that guy. We all laughed when they gave TLaw that 2nd contract, and we’re going to cry when we do it for Bryce.
 

Jacoby Brissett did what Bryce did to the Cowboys as a backup for 6m a year. We have spent a fortune on Bryce, giving him an offensive line, drafting WRs annd Ties, overpaying a RB 2nd contract. What we’re doing is not sustainable for a QB with this level of production that needs this much help to be one of the worst in the league, and in some categories, worse than the backups. Relying on Rico to carry this team week in and week out is not a game plan. Calling under 100 yards of passing offense in the pass friendly NFL is a red flag the size of the Goodyear blimp.
 

There are dozens of QBs that can do what Bryce does for less than what he’s going to cost to extend. He’s a JAG game manager and if he was on any other team we’d be counting our lucky stars to face him that week. The only reason he’s still starting is we kept a backup we knew was worse than Bryce because he was no threat to the starting job. 2 minutes left on the clock, 80 yards to go, needing a touchdown, we don’t have a QB on this team I want stepping on the field. 

[Packersfan]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

I'd say he's definitely in the bottom half of starting QBs and maybe bottom third. But I don't really care if his label was generational talent. Bryce Young's was super computer.

Lawrence wasn't a bigger bust, because he's actually produced significantly more, unless your definition of bust is not actual play but media/fan expectations - in which case, Bryce's was also very high, so I'm not really sure, and if you're talking expectations you have to talk cost because that is part of what built those expectations.

Just in terms of pure play to date, Lawrence has been significantly better than Bryce Young and has two decent seasons. Is he a good QB? I don't think so. 

Trevor Lawrence has regressed since his rookie year. Not sure what happened to him.