This Bryce Guy (General BY Discussion)

[CPF4LIFE]

https://x.com/KeepPurringBen/status/1990436780806373717?t=eLfFG_7d_pki1VjQ7CPFiw&s=19

So now all of sudden according to a lot of fans Bryce could have won us those other 5 Games if he could have been allowed to "sling it around". And anybody with common sense is supposed to believe this??? This the problem i have with this fanbase. They will turn over every rock to excuse Bryce for sub par play. Nevermind just enjoying the win and being glad he finally stepped it up. Gotta throw Canales in the fire because Bryce finally having a good passing game against the ONLY team he has done it against in the past and won.

[strato]

56 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

https://x.com/KeepPurringBen/status/1990436780806373717?t=eLfFG_7d_pki1VjQ7CPFiw&s=19

So now all of sudden according to a lot of fans Bryce could have won us those other 5 Games if he could have been allowed to "sling it around". And anybody with common sense is supposed to believe this??? This the problem i have with this fanbase. They will turn over every rock to excuse Bryce for sub par play. Nevermind just enjoying the win and being glad he finally stepped it up. Gotta throw Canales in the fire because Bryce finally having a good passing game against the ONLY team he has done it against in the past and won.

Hallmark of the stan agenda. They choose not to focus on what happened to make the cuffs go on in the first place. That is irrelevant. 

[electro's horse]

frankly i'm surprised by how often bryce appears in the epstein emails

[Mike2.0]

19 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't have to, I've been paying attention. Defenses are getting better or qb's are getting worse because I've seen the final yards of qb's around the league and it's way down this year.

This season’s leader, Daniel Jones, is averaging 265.9 yards per game, that would rank 12th in 2015. Even going back to 2020, he would rank 10th in passing yards. So it does appear that passing yards is down, but is that because they aren’t as good? Possibly, but we were spoilt in recent years when we had Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford (etc). As crops of QBs go, it was an amazing era to watch and most will end up in the Hall of Fame. I’m not convinced you we could list as many potential Hall of Fame QBs from the current crop.

18 hours ago, strato said:

Yeah that’s true.  
Pendulum at work.  It will go back to the aerial fireworks at some point. 

Will it go pass heavy again? I think there’s a good chance that it will, but it will require QBs that can consistently air the ball out in the frequency we saw in the 00s and 10s. I think currently coaches are favouring a more balanced approach, if not favouring a strong running game. 

[mav1234]

Weren't we saying passing was way down last year too and it trended waaay up the last 8ish games?  I feel like this came up in discussions last year too, where some QBs (Burrows comes to mind) exploded from week 10 onward. Burrows was like 250/game until week 10 and then 330/game the rest of the way. I feel like someone pointed out a few other players with similar stats (Josh Allen and Mahomes both follow the trend it seems)

I think offenses get more film on what defenses are doing and start to exploit them.

[d-dave]

2 hours ago, Mike2.0 said:

This season’s leader, Daniel Jones, is averaging 265.9 yards per game, that would rank 12th in 2015. Even going back to 2020, he would rank 10th in passing yards. So it does appear that passing yards is down, but is that because they aren’t as good? Possibly, but we were spoilt in recent years when we had Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford (etc). As crops of QBs go, it was an amazing era to watch and most will end up in the Hall of Fame. I’m not convinced you we could list as many potential Hall of Fame QBs from the current crop.

Will it go pass heavy again? I think there’s a good chance that it will, but it will require QBs that can consistently air the ball out in the frequency we saw in the 00s and 10s. I think currently coaches are favouring a more balanced approach, if not favouring a strong running game. 

Some folks say it's because teams are playing more shell defenses preventing more longer passes.  The analytics folks would rather you pass for 7 years every down.  As you state, the crop of QBs is mixed as far as quality.

I think when you put it all together, it's a recipe for less passing yards.

[shaqattaq]

18 hours ago, electro's horse said:

frankly i'm surprised by how often bryce appears in the epstein emails

He DOES look like a 12 year old!

[shaqattaq]

5 hours ago, Mike2.0 said:

This season’s leader, Daniel Jones, is averaging 265.9 yards per game, that would rank 12th in 2015. Even going back to 2020, he would rank 10th in passing yards. So it does appear that passing yards is down, but is that because they aren’t as good? Possibly, but we were spoilt in recent years when we had Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford (etc). As crops of QBs go, it was an amazing era to watch and most will end up in the Hall of Fame. I’m not convinced you we could list as many potential Hall of Fame QBs from the current crop.

Will it go pass heavy again? I think there’s a good chance that it will, but it will require QBs that can consistently air the ball out in the frequency we saw in the 00s and 10s. I think currently coaches are favouring a more balanced approach, if not favouring a strong running game. 

There was an article/video posted on here preseason discussing how defenses are evolving the safety position. I don't have the energy to Try to find it (I looked about 5 minutes before giving up). It was back when we were all freaking out about not having a real free safety on the team. I'm not smart enough to go into detail, but the gist was that DC got sick of giving up 400 yards a game and made changes. Hopefully someone out there is able to find it; good read/watch.

[Joe Bear]

You mean, Award-Winning Bryce Young? 

[woahfraze]

I’m not necessarily advocating sticking with Bryce. His highs show the ability is there, but there’s enough bad film out there to doubt that he can consistently enough play at a high enough level. But this video from Brett Kollman is a pretty good argument to give it a bit more time, whether that be rolling with Bryce just next year or picking up his 5th year option (not extending him). 
 

 

The gist is that the structural (wider hashes) and rule (3 yd vs 1 yd thresholds for intelligible offensive lineman downfield penalties) differences in the college and NFL have led to wildly different play calling and scheme diets in college. There is much more shotgun and RPO calls in college and screen/quick throws. This simply doesn’t set up young QBs to be able to play under center, which is more preferred in the NFL due to RBs being able to more effectively run out of that formation.  They don’t know how to do it and have to learn. Yes, the NFL has trended more toward college style offense in the last decade or so, but it isn’t that pronounced and is more out of necessity than desire. And on top of all that, they ask the young QBs to do all this learning with coaching and other personnel churn going on around them.  Bad results lead to coaches getting fired and new ones with different ideas on scheme and footwork and different terminology and playbooks coming in. It makes it harder on those young QBs to learn.  
 

So we may drop Bryce for a young QB starter in the draft and be in a similar situation. With a QB who is going to take years to learn how to operate in an NFL style offense and will struggle along the way.  So you have to weigh whether the struggles we see from Bryce are more due to this learning process vs solely physical limitations on his part. It’s almost undoubtedly a bit of both, but the answer to that question I think dictates your strategy at QB over the next few years. And of course, you have to consider what the alternatives available are. 
 

I’m neither a Bryce hater or a Bryce Stan and I don’t have an answer to that question. But I do fear that if we move on from him, unless it’s for an established player, we’re just in for continued frustration on the QB front because it’s going to take a few years for a college QB to develop (Drake Maye’s don’t grow on trees). 

[strato]

2 hours ago, woahfraze said:

I’m not necessarily advocating sticking with Bryce. His highs show the ability is there, but there’s enough bad film out there to doubt that he can consistently enough play at a high enough level. But this video from Brett Kollman is a pretty good argument to give it a bit more time, whether that be rolling with Bryce just next year or picking up his 5th year option (not extending him). 
 

 

The gist is that the structural (wider hashes) and rule (3 yd vs 1 yd thresholds for intelligible offensive lineman downfield penalties) differences in the college and NFL have led to wildly different play calling and scheme diets in college. There is much more shotgun and RPO calls in college and screen/quick throws. This simply doesn’t set up young QBs to be able to play under center, which is more preferred in the NFL due to RBs being able to more effectively run out of that formation.  They don’t know how to do it and have to learn. Yes, the NFL has trended more toward college style offense in the last decade or so, but it isn’t that pronounced and is more out of necessity than desire. And on top of all that, they ask the young QBs to do all this learning with coaching and other personnel churn going on around them.  Bad results lead to coaches getting fired and new ones with different ideas on scheme and footwork and different terminology and playbooks coming in. It makes it harder on those young QBs to learn.  
 

So we may drop Bryce for a young QB starter in the draft and be in a similar situation. With a QB who is going to take years to learn how to operate in an NFL style offense and will struggle along the way.  So you have to weigh whether the struggles we see from Bryce are more due to this learning process vs solely physical limitations on his part. It’s almost undoubtedly a bit of both, but the answer to that question I think dictates your strategy at QB over the next few years. And of course, you have to consider what the alternatives available are. 
 

I’m neither a Bryce hater or a Bryce Stan and I don’t have an answer to that question. But I do fear that if we move on from him, unless it’s for an established player, we’re just in for continued frustration on the QB front because it’s going to take a few years for a college QB to develop (Drake Maye’s don’t grow on trees). t gett8ng the adb

What this suggests to me is how dumb it is to spend that much to draft a kid not ready for the league. 
If the rookie contract does nothing but make their learning years cheaper you aren’t getting the advantage you think you are there either.