This Bryce Guy (General BY Discussion)

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

The only stats the Bryce defenders want to talk about share one common denominator…..they are heavily influenced by throws into tight coverage.  And Bryce’s throws into coverage have discussed and why he makes those on repeat.

there are billion ways to look at QB play.  They virtually all tell a similar story about what Bryce is and it aligns with the visual….he isn’t a good QB. 

Cherry picking CPOE random ass week means nothing when we got 3 years of all sorts of metrics to judge him. 

you got it wrong on Bryce.  Just move on.  The defense is beyond sad.   And now you lean on whatever it is you think you are doing the post above lol

When someone chimes in about Ewers doing whatever to Tampa when I know they didn’t watch the game a stat like CPOE (again I prefer EPA + CPOE composite) is worth mentioning to help paint a better picture 

I mean where’s Ewers 63 yard TD pass…

Not an overly difficult throw

[The Lobo]

19 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Completion percentage over expected

an advanced stat that measures a quarterback's accuracy by comparing their actual completion rate to what a model predicts, considering factors like throw distance (air yards), location, defender separation, and pressure, helping to show if a QB completes difficult throws more (or fewer) than expected. It's a way to evaluate quarterbacks beyond raw completion percentage, as CPOE adjusts for the inherent difficulty of each pass. 

Young’s analytics took a hit after yesterdays dud. It’ll forever be tough to judge QB play based off of stats but some are definitely better than others and EPA + CPOE is probably the best one. But like I said yesterday, the Seahawks were an awful matchup for us and it’s not just Bryce. 

I said yesterday it wasn’t a good matchup for us and that’s why. We really need to go out and find a specific type of WR this offseason and a TE would be nice as well. 

If we play the Niners or Seahawks again if we make the playoffs the outcome is going to be the same. We simply do not have the personnel to beat those teams

 

Cool, thanks, I had no idea this existed (I’m not being a smart ass)

I gotta say, there are a lot of IFs when dealing with Bryce. So he has to have more weapons to beat specific teams now? At one point will it end? It’s interesting, when we had a true franchise guy, a true number one overall pick, that guy gave us a chance to win every week no matter the weapons and no matter who we played.  

[CRA]

We all watch Bryce.  Sometimes stats produce bullshit and lie.  It’s why no singular stat means anything 

what’s Dalton’s CPOE this season in his start 

what’s Bryce’s on the year 

 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, The Lobo said:

Cool, thanks, I had no idea this existed (I’m not being a smart ass)

I gotta say, there are a lot of IFs when dealing with Bryce. So he has to have more weapons to beat specific teams now? At one point will it end? It’s interesting, when we had a true franchise guy, a true number one overall pick, that guy gave us a chance to win every week no matter the weapons and no matter who we played.  

We have 2 guys in TMac and Coker and they’re both the same type of WR. Bigger possession type guy

Bryce obviously deserves part of the blame but our problems on offense are much bigger than just him. Canales deserves a good chunk. Then we have personnel issues when trying to counter some of these defenses 

I really don’t know why people keep bringing up Cam as if that’s the bar for Bryce. They’re completely different QB’s and need different things to be successful. Every time we went to the playoffs we Cam we had a top 10 defense. 

Our last trip to the playoffs in 2017 our defensive EPA/play was  9th best that year. Our offense was 13th. Cam himself was 22nd in EPA+CPOE composite.

Id love to know what our defensive epa/play was in 2013 and 2015. Those were our best defenses 

[fanpanther]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

We have 2 guys in TMac and Coker and they’re both the same type of WR. Bigger possession type guy

Bryce obviously deserves part of the blame but our problems on offense are much bigger than just him. Canales deserves a good chunk. Then we have personnel issues when trying to counter some of these defenses 

I really don’t know why people keep bringing up Cam as if that’s the bar for Bryce. They’re completely different QB’s and need different things to be successful. Every time we went to the playoffs we Cam we had a top 10 defense. 

Our last trip to the playoffs in 2017 our defensive EPA/play was  9th best that year. Our offense was 13th. Cam himself was 22nd in EPA+CPOE composite.

Id love to know what our defensive epa/play was in 2013 and 2015. Those were our best defenses 

i would love to see any other halfway decent qb play a game for the panthers.  they brought in no one dalton is well past his prime.  i believe any other halfway decent qb would really excelll but at least it would show if its young or everyone elses fualt.  young is so physically limited it reduces the playbook alot.  this was interested take on young

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17yYXSa4E2/

[Bear Hands]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

When someone chimes in about Ewers doing whatever to Tampa when I know they didn’t watch the game a stat like CPOE (again I prefer EPA + CPOE composite) is worth mentioning to help paint a better picture 

I mean where’s Ewers 63 yard TD pass…

Not an overly difficult throw

CPOE does not factor in EPA.  So your composite preference does make sense.  

Funny thing for stat junkies, CPOE has historically predicted the YPA most accurately from college to NFL, however, in Bryce's case, he was 8.8 in college and a putrid 6.0 in the big leagues.  

[Bear Hands]

But at the end of the day, I don't even know what we're talking about anymore lol.  Bryce had a terrible game, what is the hugabaloo? 

[Bear Hands]

https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/

This tracks some of the advanced stuff on a surface level for those who want the deets

[fanpanther]

bryce made the 6th lowest passing yard total in panthers history yesterday joining wienki fasani darnaold collins

Edited 1 hour ago by fanpanther

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Completion percentage over expected

an advanced stat that measures a quarterback's accuracy by comparing their actual completion rate to what a model predicts, considering factors like throw distance (air yards), location, defender separation, and pressure, helping to show if a QB completes difficult throws more (or fewer) than expected. It's a way to evaluate quarterbacks beyond raw completion percentage, as CPOE adjusts for the inherent difficulty of each pass. 

Young’s analytics took a hit after yesterdays dud. It’ll forever be tough to judge QB play based off of stats but some are definitely better than others and EPA + CPOE is probably the best one. But like I said yesterday, the Seahawks were an awful matchup for us and it’s not just Bryce. 

I said yesterday it wasn’t a good matchup for us and that’s why. We really need to go out and find a specific type of WR this offseason and a TE would be nice as well. 

If we play the Niners or Seahawks again if we make the playoffs the outcome is going to be the same. We simply do not have the personnel to beat those teams

 

Your answer to this is to find another wr?

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Your answer to this is to find another wr?

Anyone making excuses for yesterday loses credibility.  Ridiculously bad play by Mr Big Time yesterday.  Inexcusable.  We need a QB bad.