Just our luck

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I'd bring in howell, lance or another younger guy with skills and hope dc can work with them.  I most certainly would also draft a guy.    You have to keep taking shots

Which is what I said two posts above. We're on the same page about that.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, TD alt said:

General and not specific. But, I understand, I guess generalities are the order of the day considering the circumstances. 

I'm not into old ass retreads. Don't lose draft position with Joe Flacco, for example, every single year   winning meaningless games. Give me Lance, Howell, and/or Levis and draft a guy in whichever round, but don't spend ones and twos---valuable draft capital---to move up, if you move up at all. 

I don't care about draft position. We picked #1 overall and it was a fuging disaster. 

We don't struggle with draft position, we struggle with talent evaluations. 

Just get a better QB. If the best option is 40+, whatever. We need to build a real team that has any fuging clue about what winning looks like and do it while continually improving this roster so that one day when "The Guy" eventually shows up, we can win from day 1. 

As I have stated over and over, with the lower tier options likely available in free agency and the draft, I would take some of Column A and Column B and maybe even Column C. 

Just spam options and see what happens. Better than just sitting on our hands and hoping Bryce will get hit with a dose of gamma radiation turning him into QB Hulk.

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I understand, but look above. I'm not into Bryce under any circumstances.

Yeah Im with that nightmare finally ending. I was beyond ready already

[PleaseCutStewart]

I would look at a trade for another team's backups, since the free agent class is ass.

I would be interested in Stidham, Winston, McKee (probably hard to get), or Brissett (not sure Cards part with him because Kyler is also ass)

If we are going free agent route, Mariota or Zach Wilson might be our best options. Maybe Flacco? Definitely an ugly free agent list

[SCO96]

3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

General and not specific. But, I understand, I guess generalities are the order of the day considering the circumstances. 

I'm not into old ass retreads. Don't lose draft position with Joe Flacco, for example, every single year   winning meaningless games. Give me Lance, Howell, and/or Levis and draft a guy in whichever round, but don't spend ones and twos---valuable draft capital---to move up, if you move up at all. 

The interesting things about these 3 guys is that they each one can throws to all areas of the field. This allows you to open up the entire playbook. They're also still young and would now be humble enough to accept some good/tough coaching.

Our team has improved in terms of depth on the offensive side of the ball. Anyone of those guy would come in and have some talented pieces to work with at the skill positions. The O-line is solid. We could use the draft to focus on building up the defense on the first two days of the draft.

And as you pointed, under no circumstances do you trade up. I wouldn't even trade down this draft unless its 5 spots or less and still put me in position to get the guy I wanted and pick up an extra pick.

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, Panthering said:

Teams who are over their guy and might be available for trade:

- Trevor Lawrence 

- Kyler Murray 

- Tua 

- Spencer Rattler

- Geno Smith 

- Justin Fields 

 

Look at contracts, several of these guys will not be available because of the cap damage getting rid of them will cause. Not going to go over it again.

Also, Justin Fields is one of the very few NFL QB's who is actually a downgrade from Bryce. 

Geno or Murray would be interesting options, should they become available. 

I will say that we would have to likely give either of them a very large contract just to lure them here IF they become free agents.

Edited 1 hour ago by kungfoodude

[Cpt slay a ho]

Kick the tires on Zac, and sign another vet qb(Taylor) , add a rookie and go from there 

there’s some low risk QBs we could probably trade for too without losing much draft capitol

bottom line is they need to keep building the team instead of big game qb hunting again  

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

The interesting things about these 3 guys is that they each one can throws to all areas of the field. This allows you to open up the entire playbook. They're also still young and would now be humble enough to accept some good/tough coaching.

Our team has improved in terms of depth on the offensive side of the ball. Anyone of those guy would come in and have some talented pieces to work with at the skill positions. The O-line is solid. We could use the draft to focus on building up the defense on the first two days of the draft.

And as you pointed, under no circumstances do you trade up. I wouldn't even trade down this draft unless its 5 spots or less and still put me in position to get the guy I wanted and pick up an extra pick.

I really don't think there are other areas of the playbook. This is the offense. Bryce can't make throws but this is the offense.

I also think you are making some "coachability" assumptions with the young bust QB's. Howell is most likely just as not coachable as Winston. Just the kind of QB they are. Greatest strength is their greatest weakness. Hard to change that. 

The other guys(Lance/Levis) COULD possibly be someone that could develop but I generally would never put all or even most of my eggs in that basket. Get a legit veteran in here and let them continue to develop on a bench. That's where they belong until they are actually up to NFL speed. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

Kick the tires on Zac, and sign another vet qb(Taylor) , add a rookie and go from there 

there’s some low risk QBs we could probably trade for too without losing much draft capitol

bottom line is they need to keep building the team instead of big game qb hunting again  

This is exactly the kind of offseason plan I would have. Get some varied options. Don't rest on our laurels with one decision that is likely to be bad.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

I don't always like judging a QB class from this high of level.    It's all about finding the specific prospect.  The guy that just fits what you're looking for.  

In order of selected (top drafted pre-Bryce)-

2017: Trubiski, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer

2018: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Lamar

2019: Murray, Daniel Jones, Haskins

2020: Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love, Hurts

2021: Trevor, Z Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac Jones

2022: Pickett

It's all peppered in.  The ones that tend to hit are well structured teams, who know who they are, identifying a guy that just fits them and they are confident in their skills and development.  Less pressure, set environment, sound decision based on a balance of things.    

That's why it was so bizarre to see the Steelers get duped by Pickett. He's basically Bryce but with prototypical size. That doesn't work either.

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Look at contracts, several of these guys will not be available because of the cap damage getting rid of them will cause. Not going to go over it again.

Also, Justin Fields is one of the very few NFL QB's who is actually a downgrade from Bryce. 

Geno or Murray would be interesting options, should they become available. 

I will say that we would have to likely give either of them a very large contract just to lure them here IF they become free agents.

I would pass on both Geno and Murray because of what you would have to pay them. Murray is no better than Young I don't care what his stats say. Murray is a bust, it just took longer for it to manifest itself.

If I was forced to choose it would be Geno. Besides, Canales has a history with Geno and he wouldn't mind being a backup if it ended up that way. 

[ClawOn]

4 hours ago, NAS said:

Good God that’s horrible.  I would only kick the tires on Zach Wilson. 

Yeah give me a guy with arm talent. Normally the starting point for other teams.  Maybe Canales could do something with him. 

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm fine with kicking the tires on Wilson but he can't be the only vet signing if that's the case.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I would pass on both Geno and Murray because of what you would have to pay them. Murray is no better than Young I don't care what his stats say. Murray is a bust, it just took longer for it to manifest itself.

If I was forced to choose it would be Geno. Besides, Canales has a history with Geno and he wouldn't mind being a backup if it ended up that way. 

Murray is better but I don't think he has much passion for being a great football player. He's only an option in my book if he is cheap, which I don't think will be the case in his first trip to free agency and/or a second team.

Geno would be about as old as Dalton when we brought him in. He ain't a spring chicken. Would have to be cheap, again.