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25 minutes ago, pantherj said:

The Saints totally had our number last time. But this is the NFL, and we have an extra week to prepare. This isn't like when we had River and did the same stuff no matter what. Canales will make adjustments to counter what the Saints did to us. Now will it work? Stay tuned. Hold on to your butts. 

I'm not so sure the extra week for Canales to make adjustments and prepare is a good thing for us.

We're at our best when he keeps things simple, it's when he tries to get too cute with things that everything goes to hell.

I even was calling it out in the game thread today, I thought Canales called a terrible game at critical times, but the players made great plays to bail him out.  I thought the Coker TD was a blind squirrel finding a nut, calling a one step drop and throw 20 yards downfield on 4th and short was so dumb.  But more than that it was all the 3rd down runs up the middle that got stuffed, but our RB's made great plays to bounce around and find ways to get the 1st down.

It just always feels like Canales is trying to outsmart the other team but isn't smart enough to do it.

Even the T-Mac TD the more I think about it didn't seem like a great call, it was 4th and 2 and it was mostly a bunch of downfield routes.  Why weren't we running the 3-4 yard routes needed to get the 1st down and move the chains on such a critical play?

 

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5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I'm not so sure the extra week for Canales to make adjustments and prepare is a good thing for us.

We're at our best when he keeps things simple, it's when he tries to get too cute with things that everything goes to hell.

I even was calling it out in the game thread today, I thought Canales called a terrible game at critical times, but the players made great plays to bail him out.  I thought the Coker TD was a blind squirrel finding a nut, calling a one step drop and throw 20 yards downfield on 4th and short was so dumb.  But more than that it was all the 3rd down runs up the middle that got stuffed, but our RB's made great plays to bounce around and find ways to get the 1st down.

It just always feels like Canales is trying to outsmart the other team but isn't smart enough to do it.

Even the T-Mac TD the more I think about it didn't seem like a great call, it was 4th and 2 and it was mostly a bunch of downfield routes.  Why weren't we running the 3-4 yard routes needed to get the 1st down and move the chains on such a critical play?

 

Because the Rams were expecting us to run it those 3 or 4 yards. Thats why we passed in that situation. It was a huge gamble and luckily Young hit his receivers in stride for TD's. Great play by Young and great catches by McMillan and Coker. Its called gambling on your qb to make a play. I think its brilliant if it works. 

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20 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Because the Rams were expecting us to run it those 3 or 4 yards. Thats why we passed in that situation. It was a huge gamble and luckily Young hit his receivers in stride for TD's. Great play by Young and great catches by McMillan and Coker. Its called gambling on your qb to make a play. I think its brilliant if it works. 

I didn't say I thought throwing it was a bad decision, I said I thought not running those 3-5 yard routes to pick up the 1st down wasn't a great call.  Yes the play worked out, but I didn't love the play call, it's like when a bad shooter is taking a 3 and you're yelling "no no no" as they're going up and then they make it so it worked out.

That's still gambling on them to make the play and I take no issue with that.

But I just went and watched the play again, we had T-Mac and XL running downfield crossing routes, Coker went in motion behind the LOS and then moved up a yard or two after the snap but not even past the LOS, Sanders chipped the DE and then ran a drag route right long the LOS.

The play worked out, but I don't really like that particular play call and route tree with the game on the line on a 4th and 2.  If you want to send one route downfield as an option that's fine, but there were only 2 realistic target options with that route tree and they were both 15-20 yards downfield.

This is just before Bryce is going to throw it.  

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You have 2 players off screen downfield, one player who ran a route that never had a chance to get open and didn't even get to the 1st down line, another player just at the line to gain but late in the route because of a chip (and the worst pass catcher of the 4).

Do you really think that was a "good play call" in that situation? 

I very much do not think so, I think it was a terrible call that just happened to turn out well for us.  Which is great that it worked out, but it's one of a whole lot of examples from both this week and the whole season as to why I'm not a Canales fan.

Had we not converted the play, the discussion wouldn't be about Bryce making a bad throw as much as a terrible play call in the situation, same goes for the Coker play.

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14 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Do you really think that was a "good play call" in that situation? 

I very much do not think so, I think it was a terrible call that just happened to turn out well for us.  Which is great that it worked out, but it's one of a whole lot of examples from both this week and the whole season as to why I'm not a Canales fan.

Had we not converted the play, the discussion wouldn't be about Bryce making a bad throw as much as a terrible play call in the situation, same goes for the Coker play.

People have cried about Canales and his oddball playcalls that were exactly the same thing he pulled today.   How many 3rd/4th and shorts has Dave called some deep incompletion…..it’s happened a bunch this season.   Hell, pretty sure the exact one to Coker was a couple weeks ago on 3rd and short.  It was incomplete and people trashed him for a low % play when only needing whatever it was 

He hid Bryce Young the entire game and treated him like he was just picked up this week and then on 4th and short had him go deep.  It was bad playcalling that worked out great.   Or the huddle has been trashing great playcalling all season as Dave being dumb 

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