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David and Derek Carr on the Panthers video


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9 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

That oline was a friggin joke and his receivers were bad his rookie season. Think thay drafted Andre Johnson and some more offensive players his second year and things got a little better. Then Andre Johnson started getting injured, and it went back to weekly beat downs. 

When we signed him I did a deep dive on his Houston days.

One of the most surprising things I learned from it was that Chris Palmer didn't really put much effort into teaching Carr how to read a defense.

Yes, you read that right 😳

Instead, they'd just write a play and tell him "throw it to this spot".

Yeah 😕

How in the unmitigated hell a coach with years of actual NFL coaching experience believes something like that is a truly viable option... I'm just never gonna understand 😖

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6 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

There was a an NFL Network episode before the draft one year and they invited Mahomes on before the draft and I’m pretty sure David Carr who had been out of the league a while by then out threw Mahomes pre-draft. I don’t remember if it was accuracy or if it was like an arm strength test but I remember being like Damn, this kids arm is horrible..

I believe I saw that - that is the one that has them throwing normal velocity and then all out fastball style that I saw and did a great job illustrating the loss of accuracy that comes with max effort. 

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On 12/5/2025 at 1:51 AM, Mr. Scot said:

You should.

Marty Hurney has said in an interview that had Houston not been picking ahead of us, we would have drafted Carr over Peppers.

And to be fair to Carr, he not only received weekly beatings behind Houston's poorly equipped offensive line, but on top of that also some absolute dog sh-t coaching from Chris Palmer and company that probably aided in derailing his career.

Just one of several examples from that era where somebody else's screwup actually saved us from screwing up ourselves... 

I wish Tepper would've allowed that to happen again during this era...I Cant Help Myself Set It Off GIF by filmeditor

 

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On 12/5/2025 at 7:39 AM, Mr. Scot said:

When we signed him I did a deep dive on his Houston days.

One of the most surprising things I learned from it was that Chris Palmer didn't really put much effort into teaching Carr how to read a defense.

Yes, you read that right 😳

Instead, they'd just write a play and tell him "throw it to this spot".

Yeah 😕

How in the unmitigated hell a coach with years of actual NFL coaching experience believes something like that is a truly viable option... I'm just never gonna understand 😖

I mean, it could've been gross incompetence but they also could've done that after realizing Carr just wasn't going to catch on and they needed some way to make him function within the offense.

I also just remembered his awkward throwing motion and how I never cared for it.

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1 hour ago, outlaw4 said:

I mean, it could've been gross incompetence but they also could've done that after realizing Carr just wasn't going to catch on and they needed some way to make him function within the offense.

I also just remembered his awkward throwing motion and how I never cared for it.

That was the process from the beginning.

No way to know what Carr could (or could not) have been but the way they coached him was criminally bad.

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