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I really think Bryce has been given so much time due to what they've put around him. In a vacuum, he hasn't been good enough. But I think we tend to be overly judgemental with him because he's our QB. Every fan base does it. You see every mistake, not just the highlights/lowlights. I've listened to Cowboys fans crap on Dak and Ravens fans crap on Lamar. 

How many WRs from Bryce's rookie season are still making plays today? Probably a few starting olinemen from that year are out of the league too. Hell even his HC is out of the NFL and his OC is a TE coach right now. How many WRs from last season, Bryce's second year (other than the rookies) are making plays in the NFL today? And now in his third year, he's been passing to rookies and second year players. And the only one that was highly touted was TMac. Heck Coker wasn't even drafted, and he's easily been the second best receiver on the team. And let's not even get started on how bad the defense has been. When a team is constantly playing from behind, and/or being ran off the field (time of possession), it greatly impacts the offense's chemistry and playcalling. Look at the young QBs that are playing well right now. All of those teams have great defenses. Houston, Denver, Patriots, Cleveland, even the Saints defense has been on a bit of a tear recently. 

I agree he needs to be more consistent. But to be fair, so does his supporting cast. He had some horrible fumbles early in the season. I beat him up over that just like everyone else. But we wouldn't have said that if it was Stafford. We would have rightly blamed it on the oline for allowing jail breaks when they weren't even outnumbered on blitzes, and to top it off he was throwing to a bunch of young receivers. He killed teams for blitzing him the end of last season. I don't think he forgot what to do. I think his receivers didn't know what to do. They were all young and new, other than XL, and DCs exploited that. The team is developing right now. And amazingly Bryce is playing better. Funny how that works. Let's just enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. Getting there is half the fun, and the team is actually ahead of schedule. 

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11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I really think Bryce has been given so much time due to what they've put around him. In a vacuum, he hasn't been good enough. But I think we tend to be overly judgemental with him because he's our QB. Every fan base does it. You see every mistake, not just the highlights/lowlights. I've listened to Cowboys fans crap on Dak and Ravens fans crap on Lamar. 

How many WRs from Bryce's rookie season are still making plays today? Probably a few starting olinemen from that year are out of the league too. Hell even his HC is out of the NFL and his OC is a TE coach right now. How many WRs from last season, Bryce's second year (other than the rookies) are making plays in the NFL today? And now in his third year, he's been passing to rookies and second year players. And the only one that was highly touted was TMac. Heck Coker wasn't even drafted, and he's easily been the second best receiver on the team. And let's not even get started on how bad the defense has been. When a team is constantly playing from behind, and/or being ran off the field (time of possession), it greatly impacts the offense's chemistry and playcalling. Look at the young QBs that are playing well right now. All of those teams have great defenses. Houston, Denver, Patriots, Cleveland, even the Saints defense has been on a bit of a tear recently. 

I agree he needs to be more consistent. But to be fair, so does his supporting cast. He had some horrible fumbles early in the season. I beat him up over that just like everyone else. But we wouldn't have said that if it was Stafford. We would have rightly blamed it on the oline for allowing jail breaks when they weren't even outnumbered on blitzes, and to top it off he was throwing to a bunch of young receivers. He killed teams for blitzing him the end of last season. I don't think he forgot what to do. I think his receivers didn't know what to do. They were all young and new, other than XL, and DCs exploited that. The team is developing right now. And amazingly Bryce is playing better. Funny how that works. Let's just enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. Getting there is half the fun, and the team is actually ahead of schedule. 

I think some of that, how many from 2023 still making plays thought.....ties into what the vision was.  I mean, before Bryce Young took a week 1 snap, it was universally deemed the best place for any rookie QB to land.  The reason of that was because on paper, it all made a lot of sense.  A solid yet unspectacular HC.  Surround the rookie with a stable of super safe vet JAGs that could all do what they were supposed to do for the young QB (safe vet JAGs don't have much of a career ahead of them).  I think they tried to create a high floor, low ceiling start for Bryce to take off from.....and it just didn't work. 

On paper it made a lot of sense.  Which most locally and nationally all thought too.  I still think the fatal flaw, is Frank didn't want Bryce.  And Bryce was never going to succeed being a Frank QB.  And that's all Frank had in the bag. 

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

I really think Bryce has been given so much time due to what they've put around him.

I think the biggest reason is the level of investment we made in him. Of he was a mid-round pick I'm not sure he would've been in the roster after his rookie season. If he was a run if the mill 1st rounder I thi k we wpulsve been looking hard to move on this past offseason. Even if he was a regular #1 overall pick I think there would've been at least legit competition brought in this past offseason. I honestly think we've been caught in a sunk cost fallacy trap for tmthree years now.

I just wonder how far it was into his rookie TC that the concerning glances at each other started happening between the coaches as the raw talent issue became undeniably prevalent.

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11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh, I did, and they weren't based in emotions either.

Granted, characterizing them that way gives you an easy out to avoid responding to them. Similar tactic to dismissing the other guy's points with "nah, you didn't really watch the games" which saves you having to debate what he said.

Strikes me as a kinda lazy way to go, but hey both elements are still back there if you feel up to trying later.

You aren't having a debate. You literally haven't said anything other than in "your eyes" he isn't better. Then some rando gave you your second data point. I mean....how about this, have you watched any of his games this year?

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14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You aren't having a debate. You literally haven't said anything other than in "your eyes" he isn't better. Then some rando gave you your second data point. I mean....how about this, have you watched any of his games this year?

If I said yes, would you believe me? 😄

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