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I am so tired of watching rigged games


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People tend to forget that our games vs 49ers and Rams had like what one or two penalties total in two games ?  NFL does not like the panthers.  I’m not going to say canales and Evero didn’t lay eggs because they did but it’s really hard to win against the refs unless you play perfect ball.  And sadly Canales wasn’t even average.  

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2 minutes ago, Greatman77 said:

"Game is rigged" is just cope for a defense that collapsed in the 4th quarter.

There were soooo many calls against the panthers were fuging ridiculous, to even say the least.  it was fuging ridiculous.  from holds that never happened to somehow ya know....lining up illegally for a kickoff with no replay or explanation.  fug the NFL, that was some grade a vegas BS.

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1 minute ago, Zaximus said:

People tend to forget that our games vs 49ers and Rams had like what one or two penalties total in two games ?  NFL does not like the panthers.  I’m not going to say canales and Evero didn’t lay eggs because they did but it’s really hard to win against the refs unless you play perfect ball.  And sadly Canales wasn’t even average.  

agreed on evero, that window licking hurmonculous dipshit cant leave charlotte quick enough.  dude has the shittiest fuging defense in the NFL. Canales was ok...the refs were 100% deciding factor in todays game though.

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It was not a well called game. Team didn't play well. Refs didn't do their job well. Both can be true. 

I would bet the league wants a last week, winner takes all against the Bucs and will do what needs to happen to get there.

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3 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

There were soooo many calls against the panthers were fuging ridiculous, to even say the least.  it was fuging ridiculous.  from holds that never happened to somehow ya know....lining up illegally for a kickoff with no replay or explanation.  fug the NFL, that was some grade a vegas BS.

they showed the replay and csw was clearly offside, I mean are you guys even watching the fuging game or just commenting?

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2 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

It was not a well called game. Team didn't play well. Refs didn't do their job well. Both can be true. 

I would bet the league wants a last week, winner takes all against the Bucs and will do what needs to happen to get there.

so how does that work?  Who makes the call?   By all means tell mean how this vast conspiracy by a multi billion dollar industry work?  Especially when if one iota of it gets out it literally implodes.  I am all ears 

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2 hours ago, hepcat said:

Fixed games are becoming too obvious and it’s making watching football a waste of time. It’s clear the Saints are being controlled to win today, just like the 49ers game was blatantly rigged, so it’s not even being hidden well. The NFL is probably making a killing on these betting apps and they can control games to make certain games have more viewing appeal. We’ve known since the 70s the mob had ownership stakes in NFL franchises but this is absolutely atrocious. If it benefits the Panthers or not, this isn’t fun to watch anymore and it’s ruining the sport for me. 

We had plenty of times to put this game away....if you are competent in any area of the game. This was a shitttty team that beat us again.

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13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It wasn't a slide

Shough was a designed runner on the play he got a call on and somehow got it. In fact, I'd pretty sure they were counting on getting a penalty because they wouldn't have had time to get lined up and snap.

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2 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

We had plenty of times to put this game away....if you are competent in any area of the game. This was a shitttty team that beat us again.

The game was clearly being nudged the Saints way. When Bryce doesn’t get a carbon copy unnecessary roughness penalty the Saints got twice, so you need more evidence?

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Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

they showed the replay and csw was clearly offside, I mean are you guys even watching the fuging game or just commenting?

You know the Saints were offsides are too and they didnt call it?

Also Wallace started his hit before Tyler slid. 

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