Franchise QB Dominates

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fitterer didn't have final say until Reich.

Matt Rhule was a dead man walking going into year 3.  He wasn’t in full control and the GM.  I’m not rehashing your horrrible Scott Fitterer takes 

[CPF4LIFE]

I cant believe i even talked poo about shough now. Dude is a baller

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Not being able to run a QB sneak is a problem and a major issue. Certain plays have to be in the play book. An NFL offense can't survive without them. 

Just remember this is this same dude who said Fitterer just needed more time

[Proudiddy]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Not being able to run a QB sneak is a problem and a major issue. Certain plays have to be in the play book. An NFL offense can't survive without them. 

The fact people keep glossing over this is indeed mind-blowing.  41 years on this Earth, 31 playing/following/watching football and I’ve never before Bryce seen or heard of a QB who was subbed out because he couldn’t sneak.  Ever.  That’s a standard football play, and we have a QB who can’t run it.  So if he can’t do that, what else can’t he do?  What other plays do we not run because they know he can’t do it?  I suspect a lot, which is why the offense looks like poo more often than not and he struggles to hit 175 most games.

[mrcompletely11]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule ran the whole damn show. Every player acquisition mistake he made cost us. 

Leave Fitterer alone damnit

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Scot, the goalposts are moving again.

After signing Hunt and Lewis and then playing a full season, we have what many considered one of the better OLs in the league.  I can’t remember where we fell or how it was measured, but I believe we were considered top 5?  We’ve had injuries, but as of now, we really are only down Hunt.  The OL hasn’t been a problem outside of Corbett starting at C those couple games.  And yes, Bryce gets yards as a runner because he often bails on passing once he gets uncomfortable - much like Justin Fields.  That’s not to take away from his stats for doing it but the point is, because he’s pressured and is scared to throw some plays so the defense will live with his scrambles, that doesn’t make him a dynamic runner.  I don’t think teams consider him a threat as a runner, and he rarely breaks tackles in the open field.  It’s often feels like teams allow him that.  Even today, that last third down, he got pressured, climbed the pocket, and as soon as he moved up the middle his head came down and he never looked back up.  That’s third down on what ended up being our last drive and he didn’t even look to pass once pressured, so the defense let him run a little bit on a 3rd and 20 or whatever it was.  Yards for nothing.

And I didn’t say every game we won, we won in spite of Bryce, but out of 3 years, I can probably count on one hand the games I could say we won BECAUSE of Bryce.  That, imo, is enough criteria to decline a 5th year option and hit reset at QB.

Did I miss Hunt playing today?

"Yeah, we've had injuries but when we signed those guys we were considered to have one of the best lines in the league. Therefore, Bryce is bad." 

Did that argument really make sense to you when you wrote it?

Come on, dude

Likewise, "anything good he might have done is invalidated Bec he screwed up on that one play" isn't what I'd call solid logic either.

And again, Bryce actually does get credit for the part he played in our wins, even as a rookie when he was at his worst. I know you wanna spin some sort of logic that denies that idea, but it ain't working... and it isn't going to.

Your positions here from the very first post in this thread are all emotion based. It's not a good look. 

As said numerous times already, I want toove on from Bryce just as much as you do, but you really need to make better, more logical arguments. These posts ain't it. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fitterer didn't have final say until Reich.

Don't give up.  Don't ever give up

[CPF4LIFE]

Think about this....nobody has made horn look like that all season and shough did it both games.

[PantherChris]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Dude what the fug are you talking about.    He cannot even average 200 yards.    Its like you want to argue just to argue.   Go to bed

What makes it worse is wr are gonna be stuck with him for anther 2 years.   

 

Yuck.

 

Offense is a qb away and defense is a pass rusher and ILB

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, frankw said:

It's funny you mention Parcells. Parcells himself accurately summarized what Bryce Young would need to be and do in the NFL in order to justify going #1 with his glaring physical limitations.

"He better walk on water".

Parcells was just acknowledging basic football reality. When you range between below average and bottom of the barrel in all physical traits compared to the level of competition, you have no margin for error. You have to be nearly perfect. Not just that, but everyone around you has to be as well. It's really hard to be nearly perfect against NFL competition.

[45catfan]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Right up there with "ya know, of our receivers would have caught everything thrown to them, our line made the right blocks every time and the defense would only have allowed three and outs, we'd have won.

Bryce isn't even in the upper 70-80 percent of why we lost today.

There's enough blame to go around today, for sure, but my contention all along is Bryce is never going to be one of those franchise QBs that can regularly put a team on his back especially when these types of sloppy games are unfolding.  He needs a complete team effort, including himself, for a victory. Even then 99.9% of the time it's a one score squeaker of a victory.  To date for his career, Bryce has had one, exactly 1, convincing victory and that was the Falcons game in Atlanta earlier this season.  That was a unicorn game where the Panthers could do no wrong and the Falcons did everything wrong.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by 45catfan

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, mav1234 said:

I'd probably put the players to #1, then Evero, then Canales and Bryce tied... but if you think Bryce is #4 I wouldn't really dispute that. I think he is really physically limited and it is showing in our playcalling.

He is very limited   
 
no question 

at the same time, when he puts a TD in our number 1 draft pick WR’s chest, he needs to catch it….icky killing a drive being the defender of the little fella, not smart…all the penalties 

…and in all honesty, that OLine ain’t all it should be either

playcalls by Canales…let’s.  4th and 1…your left side is stronger in the run game…what do you do…you run right and honestly Corbett should retire and Moton, is a shadow of himself 

bryce will be back in 2026..that’s a fact.  

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Think about this....nobody has made horn look like that all season and shough did it both games.

The touchdown play today was a tough play.

shough lit us up in the 4th today for the same reason Bryce has against other teams; the defense is exhausted 

he’s also a better qb. 

[Castavar]

Their QB made more plays than our QB. It really boils down to that. Statistically wise, both teams were fairly even. There just one stat that really stands out:

Bryce Young: 15/24 163 yds, 1 TD

Tyler Shough: 24/32 272 yds, 1 TD and made some ridiculous throws into tight windows all day

That's your game. Yes Canales was a pussy, yes Ejero played soft defense.......but the defense STILL held an NFL team under the league average (which is 23.1). Our "franchise" QB did not make more plays than their rookie QB. Simple as that. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Castavar