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23 hours ago, Moonraker said:

With how injured the Bucs have been I would be surprised to see them send starters out if they win the next 2 weeks. That would really be a kick in the nuts to have us play their 2nd string in a meaningless finale. 

I was thinking earlier, if they end up having another one of those meaningless final games I won't be watching. Not that my announcement deserves a cookie or anything 😂

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Losing the last three with Bryce faceplanting down the stretch is honestly the best thing for the organization long-term. Sad to say, but that's the truth. Backing into the playoffs by winning a bad division with the Bucs in freefall might be the worst outcome long-term. Anything that allows the organization to cling to this farce of Bryce being the answer at QB is a terrible thing for the long-term of this franchise.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Losing the last three with Bryce faceplanting down the stretch is honestly the best thing for the organization long-term. Sad to say, but that's the truth. Backing into the playoffs by winning a bad division with the Bucs in freefall might be the worst outcome long-term. Anything that allows the organization to cling to this farce of Bryce being the answer at QB is a terrible thing for the long-term of this franchise.

That is a shite reality to face, but I do agree. I still want us to win though lol. 

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1 minute ago, Moonraker said:

That is a shite reality to face, but I do agree. I still want us to win though lol. 

It's hard not to when we've been irrelevant for the better part of a decade. I would too if I had any confidence in that not giving the organization the excuse to continue to delude themselves. I certainly won't be mad if we win the division but it'll make me nervous about what dumbass decisions that could lead to.

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That is the brutal truth. (Limping or backing into the playoffs and giving false hope)

I wanted him to remove all doubt the last 9 games (after the injury blip), either way. Good or bad. He hasn’t. Either way really. But I haven’t seen enough to justify that 5th year. Granted I was going to be a tough judge to win over. 


The playoffs thing…

It t is like rooting for higher taxes next year and the year after if you get a nice stimulus check right now.

 I mean, you think you are rooting for something good, but in reality you’re not. 

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On 12/15/2025 at 4:16 PM, Jon Snow said:

Losing yesterday eliminated us from the playoffs. The Panthers will not beat Seattle and will be lucky to beat the Bucs at home. Its already over, its just waiting on the final nails in the coffin. 

We all know whats coming in spite of the superficial hype thats being drummed up. We are going to get pounded...unless we have a miracle GB..Rams... Dallas game. Which were flukes and negated the NO games. Mayfield is going to personally pound a nail in Evros defense because of his time here...

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46 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

We all know whats coming in spite of the superficial hype thats being drummed up. We are going to get pounded...unless we have a miracle GB..Rams... Dallas game. Which were flukes and negated the NO games. Mayfield is going to personally pound a nail in Evros defense because of his time here...

If I bet I would bet on the Panthers on Sunday. This up down up down is real. 

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On 12/15/2025 at 3:22 PM, Moonraker said:

With how injured the Bucs have been I would be surprised to see them send starters out if they win the next 2 weeks. That would really be a kick in the nuts to have us play their 2nd string in a meaningless finale. 

A win by the Panthers, if this was a meaningless game, would probably hurt them in the NFL Draft order as well.

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We went from being able to rest the starters the last two weeks for a home playoff game to likely eliminated. That is how catastrophic getting swept by the Saints was. All you needed to do was win one against the Saints. And if we won both we'd clinch with any win over the final 3 weeks. But this is the Panthers, and we can't have nice things. 

Absolutely can't extend Bryce if we don't make the playoffs. You just can't as a franchise. If Bryce was worth his salt he would have beaten one of the worst teams in the league once to make the playoffs. He had two chances and fumbled both

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If you believe the referee influences the game, Smith's presence suggests the Panthers will struggle to get "home cooking" calls and may face untimely procedural flags that stall drives. The Panthers have only had Shawn Smith officiate four home games since he became a head referee in 2018, and they are all losses. Date Opponent Result Score Nov 24, 2024 vs. Kansas City Chiefs Loss 27–30 Oct 9, 2022 vs. San Francisco 49ers Loss 15–37 Dec 12, 2021 vs. Atlanta Falcons Loss 21–29 Nov 25, 2018 vs. Seattle Seahawks Loss 27–30 Considering the how rare it is for Shawn Smith to officiate a Panthers game at all, this seems like an odd time to assign him to a Panthers game, unless the NFL wants to kill the Panthers season once and for all.  The Panthers' offensive line situation creates a "perfect storm" for referee Shawn Smith's specific tendency to call False Starts on the home team. The "Carousel" Factor (Communication Vulnerability) The most damning stat for the Panthers' offensive line in 2025 is their lack of continuity. The Stat: By Week 13, the Panthers had already fielded their 10th different offensive line combination. The Impact: False starts are often "communication penalties"—they happen when a guard doesn't hear the center's snap count or a tackle anticipates the wrong cadence. A unit that hasn't played together struggles with non-verbal communication. The Shawn Smith Multiplier: Shawn Smith’s crew calls False Starts at a high rate on home teams. He will likely look for flinches on the exterior of the line. A disjointed line that is constantly rotating players (due to the injuries of starters like Cade Mays and the illness issues with Robert Hunt earlier this season) is "fresh meat" for this specific referee bias. The Specific Culprits (2025 Penalties) Ikem Ekwonu (LT): Leads the team with 4 False Start penalties this season. He is the most frequent violator on the line. Taylor Moton (RT): Has been flagged for 3 False Starts. The Trap: Smith’s crew often focuses on the tackles (the players furthest from the ball) jumping early to get an edge on speed rushers. Since Ekwonu struggles with this discipline naturally, having a referee who hunts for it is a massive disadvantage. The "Managed Outcome" Synthesis The "Bucs Cover" Script: If the desired outcome is a Buccaneers win to solidify their playoff standing, the officials simply have to apply the letter of the law. Calling strict False Starts on a confused, banged-up Panthers O-line will consistently put them in "3rd and Long" situations, killing their drives and allowing the Bucs (-3.5) to cover easily. The "Close Game" Script: If the desired outcome is "Week 18 Drama" (keeping the division tied), look for the officials to ignore the Panthers' twitchy tackles. If Ekwonu jumps a split-second early and no flag is thrown, it effectively neutralizes the Bucs' pass rush, allowing the Panthers to keep the score close. Summary of the Edge Vulnerability: Extreme. The Panthers are playing backup interior linemen (like Jake Curhan or practice squad call-ups) next to jumpy tackles. Betting Implication: This strongly reinforces the Bucs -3 or -3.5 play. The combination of a "Road Team Referee" and a "Home Team O-Line in chaos" suggests the Panthers will beat themselves with procedural penalties. Based on the collision of the hard data (Referee bias + Offensive Line injuries) and the soft narratives ("Managed Outcomes"), here is the definitive recommendation. If you have to place a single Moneyline bet to win this game straight up: The Pick: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (-165) While the "Entertainment Script" hints at a Panthers upset to keep the division messy, the structural disadvantage the Panthers face in this specific matchup is too massive to ignore. Here is why the Buccaneers are the stong moneyline play: 1. The "Shawn Smith" Road-Field Advantage This is the decisive factor. In the NFL, Home Field Advantage usually accounts for about 1.5 to 2 points of value. The Reality: Referee Shawn Smith negates that advantage entirely. His crew calls penalties in a way that historically suppresses home crowd momentum (False Starts, holding). The Result: You are essentially getting the Buccaneers on a neutral field (or even a "pseudo-home" field) against a team with a worse roster. 2. The "Drive-Killer" Synergy To win as an underdog, the Panthers need to play a clean, mistake-free game to keep drives alive. The combination of Panthers' 10th O-Line combo + Jump-prone Tackles (Ekwonu) + A Referee who hunts False Starts is a recipe for disaster. The Scenario: Expect the Panthers to face multiple "1st and 15" or "3rd and 12" situations due to procedural flags. 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