Your Feelings on Bryce Through 3 Seasons? (POLL)

[TD alt]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sunday we saw 4 QBs play….

Bryce had the lowest comp %, lowest passing yards, lowest passing TDs

And he was good Bryce.  Which sort of sums up Bryce’s NFL career to date.  His good, is below the pack and at pretty consistent level 

 

Where does Dave Canales calculate into those perceived shortcomings?  Perhaps he should've let Bryce cook a little more. The run game wasn't working--the Rams obviously were ready for it. They didn't seem ready for the passing game however. If the defense hadn't let us down, it's a win.

[Manna]

If you buy the argument that Bryce’s rookie year shouldn’t really count because of how unstable everything was around him, then this season is basically Year 2 of his development. IF viewed that way, his growth feels reasonable. He might just be a late bloomer, one of those Madden guys whose progression is slow, but the tools to succeed are there. 

What stands out to me now are his anticipatory throws (something 89 and many others raved out pre-draft) In terms of throwing guys open and getting the ball out before breaks, Bryce is doing things I haven’t seen from a Panthers QB before, honestly, even compared to franchise greats like Delhomme and Cam. That trait matters because that’s his “edge.”

The big problem is consistency. One week he looks in control and decisive, the next it’s scattershot. Cam got labeled the same way, but Bryce’s margin for error is smaller since his game is built on timing and precision rather than raw physical dominance.

That’s why the Atlanta games this year stick out to me. The question is whether those were just outliers or a preview of who he can be if things stabilize. If that’s the real Bryce once he levels out, then we have a franchise QB.

I’ve always thought Bryce was the type of QB who needed the team to be playing well at 1000% for him to succeed, but those Atlanta games for example pushed back on that idea. He didn’t just benefit from good circumstances, he elevated the offense.

That second Atlanta game especially stood out. He got hurt, stayed in, and still beat the Falcons through the air. That showed me about his toughness and ability to carry the team when things aren’t perfect.

[Johnstonny]

This QB is not very good. If he would have been drafted by any other team he woulda been gone after 9 games his rookie year no less than end of the season. We gave up the house to get him so we are trying to make it work despite what our eyes are telling us. Its a team sport but hes underwater on skill and size... we can't even use him as a Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer type to manage the game. The glaring stat is no 5'10" 180lb qb has ever won sht and that an analytic fact. Hope we start parading QB's in for tryouts next week.

[Martin]

He’s destined for a backup role. He did good for being him yesterday, but that cannot be the standard we’re using. He was the least good qb out of the four playing yesterday. If you watched GB and Bears, those QBs made throws Bryce could only dream of. If we aspire to win Superbowls, Bryce can’t be our QB.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Where does Dave Canales calculate into those perceived shortcomings?  Perhaps he should've let Bryce cook a little more. The run game wasn't working--the Rams obviously were ready for it. They didn't seem ready for the passing game however. If the defense hadn't let us down, it's a win.

I mean teams are stopping the run because it’s the threat and we flat out get favorable passing scenarios.   I don’t think Bryce can really take full advantage of what a QB is being given by teams fixated on the run.  

Teams give us favorable passing scenarios.    We couldn’t gain a yard when they played the pass every down the final drive. 

I’ve always thought Dave would be more Foxball than inventive and needs a QB to lift his O.  Canales isn’t great.  Which makes the pairing with Bryce not ideal for anyone.

Bryce need a great OC.  Canales needs a good  QB.  The always been my take on a simplistic level. 

[45catfan]

It's not the system guys, so don't blame Canales.  Play calling may be iffy at times, but the concepts are solid. WRs were open a lot yesterday, go back and look.  I counted two tight window/precision type of throws required of Bryce, even then they weren't overly difficult by NFL standards..  The rest of the time, guys were open.  In the NFL when WRs are open, QBs are expected to hit them.  It's not even debatable. 

I've been watching Mendoza put the ball in insanely tight windows all season....down the field too.  In the Oregon game, he had two throws that, if not utterly PERFECT, could not have been completed.  They were flawless throws.  If a college QB can do this, it's not asking too much of a NFL QB wrapping up year 3 to do it.

[OldhamA]

4 minutes ago, Manna said:

 

If you buy the argument that Bryce’s rookie year shouldn’t really count because of how unstable everything was around him, then this season is basically Year 2 of his development. IF viewed that way, his growth feels reasonable. He might just be a late bloomer, one of those Madden guys whose progression is slow, but the tools to succeed are there. 

What stands out to me now are his anticipatory throws (something 89 and many others raved out pre-draft) In terms of throwing guys open and getting the ball out before breaks, Bryce is doing things I haven’t seen from a Panthers QB before, honestly, even compared to franchise greats like Delhomme and Cam. That trait matters because that’s his “edge.”

The big problem is consistency. One week he looks in control and decisive, the next it’s scattershot. Cam got labeled the same way, but Bryce’s margin for error is smaller since his game is built on timing and precision rather than raw physical dominance.

That’s why the Atlanta games this year stick out to me. The question is whether those were just outliers or a preview of who he can be if things stabilize. If that’s the real Bryce once he levels out, then we have a franchise QB.

I’ve always thought Bryce was the type of QB who needed the team to be playing well at 1000% for him to succeed, but those Atlanta games for example pushed back on that idea. He didn’t just benefit from good circumstances, he elevated the offense.

That second Atlanta game especially stood out. He got hurt, stayed in, and still beat the Falcons through the air. That showed me about his toughness and ability to carry the team when things aren’t perfect.

But he was the #1 overall pick (forget what we traded for him for a moment). A 5'10", noodle armed #1 overall pick.

He wasn't meant to need development. He was the most 'football ready' QB in the Draft. 

[Eazy-E]

Nothing has changed for me since even before he was drafted. There’s no way I’d put all my eggs in the basket of a QB who’s 5’10. 

It is already hard enough to win in the NFL but he will always have to overcome his physical limitations on top of that every game he plays. That isn’t a recipe for consistent success.

We don’t see QB sneaks, end of half/game Hail Marys, inconsistent footwork due to not being able to see over the line which leads to a lot of inaccurate passes and unless he magically grows 3-4 inches and puts on 40lbs that’s never going to change.

Kurt Warner posted a video about this stuff going into great detail and things haven’t changed going all the way back to Alabama. It’s just who he is due to his size.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Eazy-E

[strato]

I never bought into just forgetting about a whole season.  His contract doesn’t forget about it. The record doesn’t.

The Bears won’t forget it either, lol. 

This was Bryce’s 3rd season. Now we get to find out if he makes it four years in a row of bad play to start the year.  

 

[TD alt]

15 minutes ago, CRA said:

Canales isn’t great.  Which makes the pairing with Bryce not ideal for anyone.

 Bryce need a great OC.  Canales needs a good  QB.  The always been my take on a simplistic level. 

Interesting last thoughts, which inherently mean that Bryce isn't a good QB, and that the pairing is ultimately set up for failure because Canales isn't great.

Then what are we doing here? I suppose we're wasting time, which seems more likely than not.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by TD alt

[strato]

25 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

But he was the #1 overall pick (forget what we traded for him for a moment). A 5'10", noodle armed #1 overall pick.

He wasn't meant to need development. He was the most 'football ready' QB in the Draft. 

Where he was taken and how much that cost definitely is a big sticking point. But I think we are past that. Obviously he wasn’t football ready and developed and ready to elevate average receivers, other than Thielen lol. 
 

We are and have been playing the future game of is he even gonna be a average starter. Seems to me. 

Edited 11 hours ago by strato

[Peon Awesome]

He's clearly a 4-5 right now. The question is obviously not "Do we give him $50+ million per year or cut him?" even though that seems to be how half of the people seem to present it. 

The reality is that it's nonsensical to just cut Bryce and completely give up now. We're paying him either way. Bare minimum he gets 1 more year. I would give him the 5th year because it would make him one of the cheapest starters in the NFL and unless you're incredibly biased, you have to acknowledge Bryce is at minimum an above average backup even if he gets no better. So worst case, he doesn't improve and you have a pricy backup/below average bridge starter, perhaps for another rookie qb, on a contract that won't remotely cripple your team and still give you a chance to build a strong roster around your next QB.

I don't think you can assume Bryce can't get better either. Darnold is proof of that. And his Jets years weren't any better/arguably worse than Bryce's 3 years here.

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Interesting last thoughts, which inherently means that Bryce isn't a good QB, and that the pairing is ultimately set up for failure because Canales isn't great.

Then what are we doing here? I suppose we're wasting time, which seems more likely than not.

 

Well, it’s rare to have great everything.  Thats why the pairings matter.  Maybe you have a dominate DL and a weak secondary.  It can work.  Maybe you have a dominate OL and okay RBs. 

if your OC and QB are both essentially okay to below average then that’s not going to work.  Dave needs a QB to help him.  Bryce needs an OC to help him.  Neither are built to uplift the other.   But are in need of the assistance 

[Peon Awesome]

Also a little nitpicky but I think the initial wording for 3 vs 4 should be flip-flopped. Bad is worse than "not good".