MHS831

We overthunk it. We had a need for big #1 WR. Our coach had Evans in Tampa. The draft was not a good value in the first with edge players, but I really think we got 2 steals in rounds 2 and 3. I think the second round talent at edge (since Pearce and Green seemed to have baggage) was pretty level. Common sense says you grab the Mike Evans-type WR and dip in at edge on day 2. We went after DTs pretty hard in free agency, and the draft was deep there--I think they did this because the plan was WR and Edge and maybe RB and (rather obviously) Safety. The key was making sure TMac was there because there were really no others like him. ---- I dont think Morgan was bad last year; just had some bad rookie GM luck. XL has upside, but was raw...I would not call him a bust yet--too many variables working against him. I think he will be a good #2. I think Coker will be our slot post AT, and I REALLY like the Horn pick. This seems to have been their plan if you consider free agency ---re-sign Horn and Jackson--Moehrig, Roseboom, Wharton, Brown III, Jones--If the focus was WR, RB, S, and Edge, Morgan hit a home run.

I was having the same thoughts. You might need to get some help.

Revisiting the Prediction thread from April 3--a full 3 weeks before the draft. I thought this was interesting because I was just repeating rumors and infusing them with my comments. We trust names like McShay--look how wrong he was! Green indicates the rumor came true in some form. Red indicates that the rumor was wrong-- Rumor: McShay just reported in his podcast that the "winds have shifted" about Shedeur Sanders. He referenced back in October when Dad basically said, "If we tell you not to draft him, don't draft him" to Shedeur wearing a Browns hat. (Nobody thought this would happen in round 5 or with the Browns). Recently, Deion has come out to announce that he is OK with wherever his son goes--while the intentions were good, he is still one-too-many voices in the process. I think it was at the combine when Shedeur responded to a question, "Do you know who my dad is?" while laughing. He was asked about the Raiders during an interview, and Shedeur said, "I ain't going sixth..." (if he meant 'round' he was right--but he meant overall) He was referencing living with criticism, etc. but continually referencing Dad may not be helping--but this shift in his and his father's approach to the draft suggests that they are not quite as confident, now that teams have signed free agents. McShay suggests that Cam will go #1 to the Titans, but the Browns may not think Sanders (who some have a second round grade on--he has him at #19 overall) is worth the #2 pick, and that might lead to them taking the best player in the draft (Carter, but do not rule out Hunter). Side Rumor: There are rumblings that the Browns could land Cousins from the Falcons, giving them a starting QB and the #2 overall pick. The Giants just signed Russell Wilson and J. Winston. Daboll and Shoen may not be ready to put their jobs on the back of a developmental QB--so they take the best player on their board, Hunter (if the Browns take Carter). New England probably drafts an OT, but they would like to trade back. Some mocks have them taking Jeanty--but I do not see Vrabel going RB with so many needs. Side Rumor: The Jets may want to move up for Hunter (if he is there) and the Pats may want to move back and take a T. So if Hunter is on the board at #4, look for a NY-Boston trade. The Jags do not need a QB, but most mocks have them staying put and taking Mason Graham, DT Michigan. Side Rumor: The smart money has the Jags taking Mason Graham, but some think they are in love with TMac. Others have TMac going to the Seahawks later. The Raiders are supposedly in love with RB Jeanty to go in Pete Carrol's offense. I see that as a likelihood. The Jets seem to like Fields and bringing in Sanders makes little sense, but it could not be ruled out. The drama, however, after the Rodgers experiment, is not ideal. Most NY area experts have the Jets taking Membou OT or Warren TE--always take the top OT over the top TE. The Panthers are likely to have Walker on their board and should be fielding offers. According to McShay, a team still needing a QB would be calling the Panthers to get ahead of the Saints. McShay mentions that the Giants could be in play to move back up to grab Sanders, but I see Indianapolis as a more likely candidate, with Richardson and Daniel Jones as their QBs at the moment. For the Colts to move up to 14 it would not require a huge investment in draft capital. The Colts could send Carolina their first (14) and second (45) to Carolina for their first (8) and a fourth (111) and fifth (140). Side Rumor: According to McShay, the folks at FanDuel give the over and under odds for Sanders being drafted at 7.5 to 8.5. The Panthers pick 8th. What does this mean? First, Jon Snow will have to change his user name and I think Special Juan is required to report his status to us to be on this board. Secondly, it means the Panthers could sit at #8 and take Walker or move back, where players like Warren, TMac, Mykel Williams, or a top S (Starks/Emmanwori), Golden, etc. would be in play. In addition, getting pick #45 would land a player like Princely (Edge). (However, Princely was drafted in round 3--Scourton was the selection at pick 51--Princely went pick 77 in the third)

Am I missing something here? Why would any NFL team sign him?

Could this be about flushing out Fitterer's additions?

You are right--might have gotten my stats mixed up--trying to see where I got it. Could not find it---my bad. Sorry for the mistake.

Yes. Nobody saw this coming---however, I thought TMac was faster than Evans in the 40---Evans ran a 4.53....

Hard to say with London--he never ran--combine or pro day. Here is what AI says, and it is always 100% accurate: Drake London's 40-yard dash time at the NFL Combine was not recorded because he was dealing with a fractured ankle at the time. While he didn't participate in the 40 at the Combine or his pro day, his coach said his 40 time was estimated to be between 4.4 and 4.53 seconds. Some sources also list his 40 time at 4.58 and 4.6 seconds Unless you are running 9s all day, top end 40 speed is rarely reached. I have always looked at the 3-cone drill. At his pro day, TMac ran a 6.86--pretty good, actually. For context, it is faster that Rome Odunze (6.88) who ran a 4.45 40. Odunze is 6'3" and weighs 216, fwiw, and is considered a very good route runner with no wasted motion. Mike Evans 3-cone was 7.08. To put it in a broader context, through 2022, with all NFL prospect 3-cone drills combined, a 6.86 puts TMac in the.89th percentile- Now consider the fact that he is 6'4" and 220. We might have something here. '

For a WR, 6'4" 220 would be decent size--if you hit the 235 range, I imagine that it costs you speed. I think his speed was an issue. He ran a 4.48 at his pro day. At the combine, he weighed in at 219 (NFL.com). Mike Evans weighed 225 as a rookie and is also 6'4". He ran a 4.53 40. My main and only concern about TMac is between his ears--and it could be nothing. He seems a bit silly, and it seems that he is in celebration mode when I want him to be in "let's get to work" mode. Again, some people are just like that, but when they put the helmet on, they get focused. I want to see that "dawg" before I get overly excited. The pick is growing on me, and if you broaden the scope to consider what was available in free agency and the draft, it makes sense. I don't think we got lesser Edge rushers in the second and third rounds, frankly, than what we could have gotten in the first.

He is a game manager--average. Unless you have a Mahommes or Allen or Burrow--trade your starting qb and draft one. I could pour the money in my defense and OL and draft a promising young QB. Wow.

We have got to have our rookies step up--TMac and Ransom in particular. Princely and Scourton will need to develop quickly, but I do not expect a miracle from either. We still have Wonnum (averages about 8 sacks per season) and Jones. Our CBs need to stay healthy. Expect a run-first, play action pass offense.

Why the hell is XL wearing a tie? Starting to worry me. Nevermind. Just watched it.

They are going to try to make it the Hunter show. We need to welcome him to the NFL.

I am that guy: Preseason should be interesting- 3 games against our former starting QB...We will not know how the Jags are going to use Hunter before we play them....First four games are winnable....TMac gets to go home week 2 to Arizona crowd...Home opener third week in September?...was hoping to get New Orleans early due to QB stuff.....Tampa Bay in Florida is a tough way to end the season if we need a win for some reason.

And I think that is opposite of what this team wants. No guaranteed money--I'd still sign him and give him a shot to beat out the fourth safety (Dont think he will).