RUMOR: Panthers looking to move up to 16-20th pick

[EightyNine]

anytime a team trades up they're doing it to get a guy they really like, if we trade up i'd assume were doing the same

 

 

hypothetically,if we trade up i don't think we would do it just to get the bpa but to get somebody DG likes and doesn't think will make it to pick 25

 

 

therefore,in this particular situation i don't think bpa would apply

 

I don't see how your explanation proves that a trade would go against taking the BPA.

 

Taking the BPA means that when you're on the clock, you are taking the highest rated player on your board, rather than taking someone who is rated lower because they fill an immediate need.

[MHS831]

Here is the fallacy-- we are ranking players by using the "experts" online player rankings.  I will be honest--I am not smart enough to grade compare a CB to a DT to a WR--there is a lot that depends on scheme, need, chemistry, etc.  Then we toss in combine statistics and interviews that we know nothing about.  We as fans may align what we read by team needs, but to actually evaluate the player's ability based on how that player "fits" the Panthers and then rank that player among players the Panthers do not need or skill sets that are not good fits for the Panthers, it really falls back on assuming good college players will be as effective in the pros--in due time. 

 

So when I see someone act as if they know who the top 20 picks will be, for example, I chuckle. It is fun to guess, but nobody knows.  While Gregory (for example) could be a great addition for another team, he would probably suck here.  So Gettlemen probably has him much lower on his board than New Orleans would.  If all the boards are different, and teams have different needs, and most adhere to a "BPA" approach--how does anyone know who is better than whom?

 

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Here is the fallacy-- we are ranking players by using the "experts" online player rankings.  I will be honest--I am not smart enough to grade compare a CB to a DT to a WR--there is a lot that depends on scheme, need, chemistry, etc.  Then we toss in combine statistics and interviews that we know nothing about.  We as fans may align what we read by team needs, but to actually evaluate the player's ability based on how that player "fits" the Panthers and then rank that player among players the Panthers do not need or skill sets that are not good fits for the Panthers, it really falls back on assuming good college players will be as effective in the pros--in due time. 

 

So when I see someone act as if they know who the top 20 picks will be, for example, I chuckle. It is fun to guess, but nobody knows.  While Gregory (for example) could be a great addition for another team, he would probably suck here.  So Gettlemen probably has him much lower on his board than New Orleans would.  If all the boards are different, and teams have different needs, and most adhere to a "BPA" approach--how does anyone know who is better than whom?

 

This.

 

I think there's a lot of misconception about "BPA".  IMO, most teams factor need into their draft boards.  Like it or not, need definitely becomes a factor.  You look at the guys Gettleman has taken in the first three rounds under Gettleman and all of those positions also just happened to be positions of significant need.  Gettleman has even spoken about how he wants high draft picks to be immediate contributors.

[Bartin]

Scheme fit is not the same thing as need. Scheme fit absolutely factors into the draft board. Need does not necessarily.

[Clicheking]

Lol..not gonna happen, especially with Gentleman at the helm.

[CPantherKing]

Explain how 'the team is not being built well enough to compete', particularly in the context of judging, after only two years, a revitalization plan that the GM said from day one will take three years to complete. I won't dispute that the other NFCS teams are seemingly a mess, but there is nothing Carolina can do about that.

 

Do the Panthers have the coaches, OL, RBs, and #2 WR or #2 TE to put up 30 points against a team like the Packers, Seahawks, Cowboys, or Eagles? Have they shown any success in developing any of these areas over the past 2 seasons?

 

That is how they are not being built to compete.

 

The Panthers have a nice influx on the defensive side over the past 2 seasons. That makes me feel good about winning a horrible division, beating the bad teams in the NFL, squeaking out 7 to 9 wins in a season, and seeing the playoffs with a possible division championship.

 

Confidence in beating the best and seeing an NFC Championship or Super Bowl? None at all. That is due to what I have seen in the offseason from the front office and what I see during the season with the coaching.

[LinvilleGorge]

Scheme fit is not the same thing as need. Scheme fit absolutely factors into the draft board. Need does not necessarily.

 

I'd almost guarantee need gets factored into the draft board.  When a GM says that he goes straight by his draft board and takes the BPA, those rankings already have the need piece factored in.

[Nick_81]

I'd almost guarantee need gets factored into the draft board.  When a GM says that he goes straight by his draft board and takes the BPA, those rankings already have the need piece factored in.

I would think so to, but listening to DG talk, makes me second guess.  He just said, at the combine presser, that if he had 5 studs at one position, and a guy at that position was the best player on the board when we pick, he's taking him.  That blows factoring need out of the water.  Coach speak?  Maybe...

[Bartin]

I'd almost guarantee need gets factored into the draft board.  When a GM says that he goes straight by his draft board and takes the BPA, those rankings already have the need piece factored in.

 

Based on what though? Have any GM's ever said that need factors into a players grade or position on their draft board with the possible exception of QB? The whole purpose of pure BPA is to be position independent and that is what Gettleman preaches. If you factor in need on the draft board then you might as well call it drafting for need and not BPA.

[EightyNine]

I'd almost guarantee need gets factored into the draft board.  When a GM says that he goes straight by his draft board and takes the BPA, those rankings already have the need piece factored in.

 

I'm not really sure if thats completely true.  Taking the BPA is much easier said than done.  Everyone says it, but it takes some guts to stick to it.  There is a lot of pressure to win now, so that probably leads to some people factoring in need more than others.  Probably what separates good GMs from the not so good ones.

 

Team's draft boards are listed vertically and horizontally, meaning players with similar grades are grouped together and listed horizontally.  A good GM who sticks to his guns and truly believes in the BPA philosophy should only factor in need when picking between players with similar grades.

 

Just like with any rule, there are probably a few exceptions.  We probably wouldn't take a QB in the first round, but for the most part, a confident GM won't reach for need because he knows how to fill the gaps with cheap talent.  THAT is what makes a good GM.

[LinvilleGorge]

Based on what though? Have any GM's ever said that need factors into a players grade or position on their draft board with the possible exception of QB? The whole purpose of pure BPA is to be position independent and that is what Gettleman preaches. If you factor in need on the draft board then you might as well call it drafting for need and not BPA.

 

Think about it.  Would any GM ever admit that the player he took wasn't the guy who he thought was the best player on the board?

[pantherclaw]

I promise, if Gettleman trades up to draft a player, that player will be BPA, or the trade wouldn't even happen.

[Ivan The Awesome]

If we're trading up, it's going to be for a guy that is starting and will contribute right away. In that range, I see OT, DE, DT. No Wide receiver to be honest.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I don't see how your explanation proves that a trade would go against taking the BPA.

 

Taking the BPA means that when you're on the clock, you are taking the highest rated player on your board, rather than taking someone who is rated lower because they fill an immediate need.

 

true but why else would you trade up? IMO it's to get someone we /want not move up to take the bpa(which on our boards he could be the bpa).

 

for example: if we trade up and get a Wr like White,instead of sitting at 25 and getting the bpa who could be gurley.By trading up,we address a position of need and we get our guy, instead of if we sat at 25 and got gurley,which isn't as big of a need as wr IMO but i can see why we wouldn't pass up on him.