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Article: Josh Norman and the Carolina Panthers making a statement in 2015


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I was hoping to read an awesome Philly article about the vaunted Panthers defense and their #1 CB, Josh Norman.  

I'm all for removing the flag from state capital and proud the team agrees but this forum is not the place to discuss...........

If I wanted to see ignorance about this discussion, I would just log on to facebook.

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someone correct me if I am wrong, but

this is the confederate flag

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and this is the Battle Flag of Virginia

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I think most people are ignorant to what the flags actually stand for.  It's more a symbol for southern pride.  Ignorance and white supremacy groups like the KKK made the flag into a symbol of racism.

Yup.  Like you said though, the second flag has been adopted by bigots and history has lost the true historical significance behind it, and now it has a new meaning.    Honestly, it shouldn't be flown at a government building judging by the implications of the flag.  I'll fight to defend someone's right to own and fly it themselves, but the government has no business flying a flag higher than their own (which they did and do when the American flag is brought to Half Staff).

 

That said, the first flag is literally the state flag of Georgia, but no one is saying a damn thing about it because 90% of people don't really know their history.

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I view the American Flag as the ultimate sign of disrespect to my ancestors, the natives of this country. European colinists, conquistadors, and Americans killed, raped, and displaced roughly 100 million of my people in the name of manifest destiny.. yet this symbol of hate, the American flag, is still proudly flown at every capitol building. I'm not asking anyone to take it down, hell I even served the country under the banner of hate.

My point is this. A flag is an inanimate object, a symol that can be viewed in many ways. One person can fly an American flag and believe in the symbol of freedom, justice, and equality for all people. Another can fly the very same flag and believe it is a symbol of 'Murica, and that every person who Flys another flag is lesser and we should bring them "freedom" by force because they live life differently than we do in this country. 

Should the confederate flag be flown in the capitol building? Probably not.. but it's only a flag. A symbol that is completely open to interpretation of it's meaning, much like a book or art. We have more serious issues in this country, such as racial profiling, the mass incarceration of non violent criminls, the militarization of the police force, mass government surveillance, pharmaceutical drugs making mass murderers, and the complete destruction of currency through inflation just to name a few... yet we want to sit here and argue over the meaning of an inanimate object and where it can be flown. This is why nothing ever changes in this country. The media has us by the balls. 

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The US flag is a symbol of an existing nation that despite its past and present problems and imperfections has the ability to improve and become better.  The Confederate flag is a symbol of a bygone period that will forever represent human ownership and dehumanization. is has no potential for change. It represents  that "heritage" forever.

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For those who may not know, the Texas state capitol flies the "actual" Confederate flag, not the stars and bars one.  And they fly it with the flags from France, Spain, Mexico, Texas (when it was a sovereign nation) and of course the USA to represent the six countries that have at one time ruled over Texas.  

All in all it's just a flag and it means something different to everyone.  But I agree with the one in SC being taken down especially given current circumstances.

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Love Norman's quote. Even though I'm from Best Carolina instead of SC, I really get where he's coming from. You don't have to be blind to the past to still be proud of where you come from. You can respect how history influences your home without celebrating it.

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