Coaching or Execution?

[raleigh-panther]

Coaching

what happens in NE when players don't execute or get long in the tooth?

compare that to Rivera ?  

I would say comparing last year to this year is not germane 

great teams are constantly reinventing themselves.  Look at the the perennial teams like the Steelers. Like the Patriots. They may have a down year or two but they constantly reinvent themselves 

average teams are great once in awhile. Why? Because while they may understand tape and that film study exposed them, they fail to adjust and thus they will be exploited. 

the Panthers are the same as they have been from Rivera's

time here. Newton is some what better:but , what goes on in his head holding the ball for five or six seconds and taking 9 yard drops.

He is well past bring a rookie now and frankly he seems bored and going through the motions as I watched him on the field Sunday

it will never happen but he needs a OC that holds him accountable. That challenges him. I do not see that in Shula.

I don't even see it in Rivera 

Fine to say we won last year but the fact is Newton has been hit 800 times in his career   What is that going to look like a year from now  two years from now if he is still playing ?

think he is getting tired of getting hit?   I saw him give up on plays Sunday. That's not the Newton I want to see.

just my opinion. There are few Panthers that don't se. To  have the 'want to' this year

 

[Malt Liquor]

Fvck Mike Shula. There is your answer.

[Toolbox]

4 minutes ago, Byrdman4real said:

Shula's playbook 

Thats all I got to say!

 

FTFY

[mc52beast]

Can't blame coaching for the stupid penalties,missed assignments and tackles. Can't blame them for missed field goals and guys just plain not doing their jobs.

[Khyber53]

Coaches can't make tackles or block a blitzing safety. They can't kick a field goal and rarely do they ever break free from a Cover 2.

[Nick_81]

It's both, if we're being honest.  Although, this discussion would be a lot easier if more people knew, at least a little, about the offensive system we ran, and how it works.  Otherwise, it's going to be non-stop comments like, " It's Shula's damn fault for calling a play with 20 yard routes, on 3rd and 4," when that's not the case 99.9% of the time.

[ncsfinest21]

Honestly I think its execution. Yes Shula on 3rd and 5 why call at 15 yard pass play when we only need 5. But I feel like Cam 1st read is Benjamin and against Minnesota he was blanketed.  Cam has always had a problem of holding the ball long. Last year he really didnt have a number 1 option it was Olsen, Ginn Brown. Which ever was open first. Now KB is back and Cam is looking at KB too long. Cam really developed  last year when it came to his reads and now his big target is back, he looks too long for him. Cam has to get back to the formula last year. We all are happy KB is back but if it means Cam stares at him for too long then it could mean trouble.

[Lumps]

'It's both' is obvious. But the OP said to pick one.

 

I know very well what kind of offense we run. The problem is adjusting and being adaptable to what their defense is doing, not not understanding what we normally run. The problem is when your offense is clearly struggling and you stick with your 'system'.

 

The offense system you run has to be adjusted to situations and personnel. Teams like he Patriots are gods at doing this.

 

Take what the defense gives you, despite your 'system'. Any successful year the Panthers have had recently, they tightened up and did exactly that. They're not doing it this year.

[tiger7_88]

Predictability in coaching and lack of adjustments (again coaching) and lack of proper preparation resulting in penalties (coaching again!).

[rodeo]

it's funny how the only time the Panthers have problems with execution is when the playcalling is garbage.

[KB_fan]

70% Coaching - 30% Execution.

I agree with all who are writing about how our offense play calling is increasing the pressure on Cam & the Oline etc. 

But I was pretty surprised at just how much worse we have started this season in terms of turnovers and points allowed off of turnovers.   8 turnovers by the Panthers so far vs. 2 at this time last year.   30 points allowed on turnovers vs. 0 this this time last year.  OUCH.

Obviously bad coaching increases turnover likelihood, but there is an execution element too with some of the sacks and INTs on Cam, and fumbles on special teams, etc.

Penalties too are not so much on coaching, but bad execution from players.  Dumb mistakes that put us behind in the chains and 3rd and forever...

We definitely have to improve ball security, special teams and penalties.

[Nick_81]

2 minutes ago, Lumps said:

'It's both' is obvious. But the OP said to pick one.

 

I know very well what kind of offense we run. The problem is adjusting and being adaptable to what their defense is doing, not not understanding what we normally run. The problem is when your offense is clearly struggling and you stick with your 'system'.

 

The offense system you run has to be adjusted to situations and personnel. Teams like he Patriots are gods at doing this.

 

Take what the defense gives you, despite your 'system'. Any successful year the Panthers have had recently, they tightened up and did exactly that. They're not doing it this year.

Blame is too even to pick just one.

Knowing what we run, and how it works, are two different things.  If people knew how it worked, they wouldn't be arguing the mistake being a 20 yard route call, on 3rd and 4.  

The problem is not the system at all.  If it were a problem, nobody would be using it now, and many teams do.  The problem was, that we got away from the system.  That can easily be put on coaching, or play calling, however you want to refer to it.  The system will fail, if you don't run the ball.  That's how it all gets set up.  

Regarding the Minnesota game, over 30% of our running plays occurred before Cam was sacked for a safety, in the first quarter.  30% of the running plays happened in the first 3 possessions!  That's fuging crazy...  What happened when we were running the ball?  We scored 10 points in two possessions, with relative ease.  This offense can't work without it.

The other part relates to Shula calling a 10, 15, 20, whatever long yardage you want to insert, route when it's a short yardage situation.  That's not how it works.  There's multiple depths within each play, for a majority of them, which includes your check downs.  It's up to the receivers to get open, and the QB to make a good read.  That obviously falls on the players' execution.  The receivers either weren't getting open, or Cam was just waiting on that deep route to open up, and not taking what the defense gave him.  Could be either, or both, throughout the course of a game.  Cam still has a tendency to go for the big "splash" plays, when there are better options available.  

I can't just pick one, because I feel like it's too close to 50/50.  Why abandon the run, when we were killing with it(Minnesota)?  Why abandon 3 step drop, when we were killing with it(Denver)?  That stuff, I easily put on coaching.  The defenses didn't have to make any major adjustments, because we were adjusting to their strengths on our own.  On the other hand, why throw to a covered up Ginn 15 yards downfield, when Olsen and Fozzy are open in the flat?  Catch the damn balls when you're open.  Plus, there's various other instances where we could have made plays with better blocking, decisions, etc...

[KB_fan]

18 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

Regarding the Minnesota game, over 30% of our running plays occurred before Cam was sacked for a safety, in the first quarter.  30% of the running plays happened in the first 3 possessions!  That's fuging crazy...  What happened when we were running the ball?  We scored 10 points in two possessions, with relative ease.  This offense can't work without it.

 

18 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

Why abandon the run, when we were killing with it(Minnesota)?

I guess I'll have to dig more deeply into the play by play, but it wasn't obvious to me in doing the gamebook data entry that we abandoned the run,   Here's the breakdown of our running game 1st & 2nd half:

About 60% of our rushing attempts in week 3 were in 1st half. 

But rushing yards were nearly 50 / 50 in week 3

And YPC went up in 2nd half of week 3

[Mojo]

It takes two to tango but Coaching is leading this dance.