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The Offensive Line isn't the problem.

CamMoon

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By any standard our oline is average at worst. The problem is the slow developing plays that Shula loves to run. This is in comparison with most of the NFL who have fallen in love with dumping the ball off for 4 yards every down. When Cam actually has time he have the most efficient offense in the league.

The problem is that any team with a decent passrush will get to Cam. Teams like Minnesota, Denver, Houston etc will tee off on Cam. Luckily for us nobody in our division has a good passrush, but we need to either fire Shula or he needs to adjust .

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So many here accuse Shula of calling slow developing plays, but Cam usually has an outlet if the pocket breaks down, or he has the option to run.  I think he has done a phenomenal job learning to be a pocket passer over the last few years, but it almost seems that sometimes he should be pulling the trigger on a run a little bit quicker, or be ok with getting a 3-4 yard gain.  Take the play on which Mn got the safety.  Several have said the wrong play was called, but if you watch the replay, Dickson was wide open for a short yardage pass.  Cam probably could have got the ball to Dickson, and set up a 3 and 5 or less, but he was looking downfield for a big play.  When Oher fell down, he should have immediately thrown it Dickson, thrown it away, or ran.  

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52 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

So many here accuse Shula of calling slow developing plays, but Cam usually has an outlet if the pocket breaks down, or he has the option to run.  I think he has done a phenomenal job learning to be a pocket passer over the last few years, but it almost seems that sometimes he should be pulling the trigger on a run a little bit quicker, or be ok with getting a 3-4 yard gain.  Take the play on which Mn got the safety.  Several have said the wrong play was called, but if you watch the replay, Dickson was wide open for a short yardage pass.  Cam probably could have got the ball to Dickson, and set up a 3 and 5 or less, but he was looking downfield for a big play.  When Oher fell down, he should have immediately thrown it Dickson, thrown it away, or ran.  

If you also watch that play in real time the DE broke free on that same side. He would have batted or intercepted that ball. Both us and min run a Coryell offense. Both teams were in long drop backs in the first half. Only one team adjusted in the second. 

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7 minutes ago, Snake said:

If you also watch that play in real time the DE broke free on that same side. He would have batted or intercepted that ball. Both us and min run a Coryell offense. Both teams were in long drop backs in the first half. Only one team adjusted in the second. 

Honestly until the 4th quarter where 4 of the sacks occurred and their defense could tee off on our line, we had lots of drives which were nullified by penalties and mistakes.  We simply go up 17-2 and the whole game changes.  The second half turned when they got the ball and drove down and scored to go up 16 to 10.  At 17-10 we are still in charge and dont have to press to catch up.  

As for the safety, that as all on Cam.  He could have thrown the ball away at least, something he does too infrequently.  It is his competitiveness.  He doesnt want to throw it away and go to the next down.  He tries to make a play which sometimes works and other times blows up on him.  You have to live and die with Cam for better or worse. Mostly better.....

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Probably a combination of the two. Sometimes it's Shula, not running the right play at the right time and sometimes it's Cam, just holding it too long. I'm pretty sure he has made said, before two different seasons, that taking what the defenses are giving him, is the thing he needs to work on, the most.

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8 hours ago, Snake said:

If you also watch that play in real time the DE broke free on that same side. He would have batted or intercepted that ball. Both us and min run a Coryell offense. Both teams were in long drop backs in the first half. Only one team adjusted in the second. 

Depends on when he decided to throw, and those things could have been avoided by lofting the ball just a bit.  Or he had room to move up in the pocket a bit.  But worst case, he should have thrown it away.  IMO, that was mostly on Cam and Oher. Of course, with better play on the punt return and without KB's penalty, this discussion is probably not happening.  

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In reality, if we hadn't committed bonehead penalties....our offense would have officially gone through the Minnesota D like it was warm butter in the first half.  Game would have been over.  

So it isn't just a OL or Shula issue.  Some of it is just our players being dumb.  We shot ourselves in the foot.   That impact momentum.  Carolina and Minny both knew Minny was extremely luck to be down 2 at the half.  That mindset helps/hurts in the 2nd half both ways.  You let a team be in a game they shouldn't and bad things happen. 

Big picture, we will be fine.  We can clean up our current worries. 

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I am still having issues with the officiating.  Two of the three games the officiating has been terrible.   I will give you a perfect example.

KB blocking the back, that had nothing to do with the outcome of the play and appeared to be a touch more than an illegal block and then Minnesota block in the back on a return that clearly altered the outcome of the play was never called. 

In the NFL almost every play a penalty can be called.  I think the rules are being enforced to the letter on us to the point it takes us out of rhythm.

Welcome to the WWENFL 

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4 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I am still having issues with the officiating.  Two of the three games the officiating has been terrible.   I will give you a perfect example.

KB blocking the back, that had nothing to do with the outcome of the play and appeared to be a touch more than an illegal block and then Minnesota block in the back on a return that clearly altered the outcome of the play was never called. 

In the NFL almost every play a penalty can be called.  I think the rules are being enforced to the letter on us to the point it takes us out of rhythm.

Welcome to the WWENFL 

Week 1 it was bogus.

Week 3 was just standard junk IMO.  Can always argue about calls but week 1 they clearly allowed the opponent an edge on calls IMO

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