First coaching scapegoat?

[KillerKat]

McDerp's seat might be hot

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

So then....you expect Gettlemen to say "oops, my bad...I ruined the season"? 

It is called scapegoating because the coaches wouldn't deserve to get fired.  But there will be blame and NO GM to my knowledge has ever tanked a team and taken the blame 

Except, again, assistant coaches are hired and fired by the head coach, not the GM.

Your whole premise is built on an error.

[tiger7_88]

Just now, CRA said:

NO GM to my knowledge has ever tanked a team and taken the blame 

This team SHOULD be 3-3 at worst, more like 4-2.

The fact that this team that has the talent to be either 3-3 or 4-2 is NOT 3-3 or 4-2 has nothing to do with the Front Office.

[pstall]

Even Belichick would lose with this defense. 

This season was house money from the jump and the luster from the SB is gone. With the exception of ST coach this staff may see little turnover.  

Need to make some solid FA moves and use the draft correctly(Dave?)  And tjis time next year lets see what we have. 

[hepcat]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

So then....you expect Gettlemen to say "oops, my bad...I ruined the season"? 

It is called scapegoating because the coaches wouldn't deserve to get fired.  But there will be blame and NO GM to my knowledge has ever tanked a team and taken the blame 

I don't expect Gettleman to come right out and say that explicitly but I expect him to spend some serious money in free agency in the offseason, which to me would be an admission of guilt considering how cheap he's been.

As is typical of Ron Rivera teams, the Panthers will rally to win some meaningless late season games and do enough to save his job. There will probably be a few coaching changes, but I don't expect anything major to happen. The Panthers organization has always been slow to react to things and that's not changing anytime soon. 

[Nick_81]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Except, again, assistant coaches are hired and fired by the head coach, not the GM.

Your whole premise is built on an error.

To add, if Gettleman did force Ron to fire someone, it would cause way more issues, than it could ever solve.  It causes a rift, and he'd be better off just firing Ron, than to make him fire someone else.

[Growl]

9 minutes ago, Bartin said:

It's Ron's decision to fire assistants.

NFL doesn't really work this way though. Staffing ultimatums are an annual thing.

And frankly, as long as the offense continues to do well, Dave's only choice may be to scapegoat the staff at the very top. McDermott is too high profile to cut without it being seen for what it is-a scapegoat manuever- and while Shula may be the perfect candidate, the offense is performing.

 

The only thing Dave could do at that point is do away with Ron and crusade about how "he won't tolerate failure" publically and loudly.

 

 

[raleigh-panther]

10 minutes ago, hepcat said:

There's honestly no reason to cut coaches yet. There's not some secret savior waiting in the wings on this coaching staff. Still a lot of games yet and even if the team keeps losing it's not going to help anything to have an even more inexperienced coach in over his head.

The season is pretty much over. The only thing that we can hope for is the young guys get experience for next year and no one critical gets seriously injured. It might be worth sitting Cam near the end of the season once we're out of playoff contention to be frankly honest.

Yep The Windows for saviors was feb through August 

the panthers have what they have

and unless that coaching staff can figure out  a defensive scheme these players can run, the Panthers have won their last game 

and a failure of epic portions in NFL history made ever so more enjoyable with going from 15 and 1 to 1 and 15 

Someone not named PSL holders has to pay 

laughing stock of the league after all the celebrations last year

[juliosantos]

its not the coaches its gettleman . he let norman just walk over 4 million dollars and i could understand that but there was cheaper options . we ignored corner in free agency , for defensive end it was also ignored with cj  coming back and for safety we brought in trenton robinson that is a bum . we could have signed a decent cb to pair along with norman like the guy from the packers that the chargers picked up cant think of his name at the moment but he was a value option that worked wonders for them or even someone like prince amukamura could have helped as well . 

[Kakarot]

If I was McDermott I'd be a little concerned.

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, Bartin said:

It's Ron's decision to fire assistants.

It always is the coaches decision technically.  At some point, coaches get pressed....so his option is either to tell his GM he sucked or let go a coach who couldn't turn water into wine. 

Not a unique thing.  Happens every season 

[The_Rainmaker]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman neither hires nor fires assistants, as was made clear when reporters asked Gettleman about then ST Coach Richard Rodgers and he advised them that was a "Ron question".

The only coach Gettleman would directly fire is Rivera, and that's not likely until the offseason (and probably not likely even then).

If an assistant coach is fired or replaced, that'll be Rivera's choice, not Gettleman's.

Worth noting that Rivera did say he'd be using the bye week to evaluate coaches as well as players.

I doubt Gettleman has the power the only person getting rid of Ron is J.R. and I bet money that Ron will be with the Panthers organzation far longer  than D.G.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, juliosantos said:

its not the coaches its gettleman . he let norman just walk over 4 million dollars and i could understand that but there was cheaper options . we ignored corner in free agency , for defensive end it was also ignored with cj  coming back and for safety we brought in trenton robinson that is a bum . we could have signed a decent cb to pair along with norman like the guy from the packers that the chargers picked up cant think of his name at the moment but he was a value option that worked wonders for them or even someone like prince amukamura could have helped as well . 

That is why it is called scapegoating 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

It always is the coaches decision.  At some point, coaches get pressed....so his option is either to tell his GM he sucked or let go a coach who couldn't turn water into wine. 

Not a unique thing.  Happens every season 

So I take it you're just going to keep pressing forward with this premise even though it's not realistic at all?