It's OK to publicly admit folks, it feels great knocking off the Redskins and Josh Norman from the playoffs...

[Kevin Greene]

It's always been OK to enjoy beating the Redskins on Monday Night football. What wouldn't have been OK was to be humiliated with a beatdown by said Foreskin team.

[pantherclaw]

On 12/19/2016 at 11:35 PM, CPF4LIFE said:

Resigning players already on the team doesn't count as improvement. AND when he doesn't spend one penny to go get a blue chip player who isn't already on the team with all this cap money in his pocket I'm sure we won't see you supporters either. 

So tired of this stupid, ill thought out, narrative. 

If Norman had signed, there might have been enough to sign KK...WHICH WAS THE PLAN. 

No CB in Zone defense is worth the money Norman's camp wanted. You can say he wanted to be here all you want to, but facts are he didn't sign his tag, and he and his agent were asking for way more than he's worth to the Panthers, period. 

By then, there were no blue chip FA's even on the market. Guess Gettleman should have manufactured one?

KK's contract ended up not getting done, dispite an effort to extend him. 

That is why we had the extra space. 

Thanks for playing.

[tiger7_88]

On 12/20/2016 at 0:35 AM, CPF4LIFE said:

Resigning players already on the team doesn't count as improvement. AND when he doesn't spend one penny to go get a blue chip player who isn't already on the team with all this cap money in his pocket I'm sure we won't see you supporters either. 

Please do point out all the blue chip free agents that wanted to sign with us and also go into detail about what kind of contracts they would have been rewarded out of your "come get your free money" negotiation tactics and how you would have worked it all under the salary cap.

[grimesgoat]

On ‎12‎/‎20‎/‎2016 at 0:35 AM, CPF4LIFE said:

Resigning players already on the team doesn't count as improvement. AND when he doesn't spend one penny to go get a blue chip player who isn't already on the team with all this cap money in his pocket I'm sure we won't see you supporters either. 

Might be time for a refresher...

• 3/1/2016 Panthers tag Norman.  Dave now has very little (if any) money for free agents

• 3/9/2016 Free Agency begins.  Panthers have little money to participate.  Certainly nothing for first wave.

• 3/30/2016 Panthers sign Boykin.  Solid corner.  Played in 64 games last four years.  Most are happy.  'Dollar store Dave finds a stud for little money'.  On paper we have Norman, Benewikere, and Boykin.  Not bad.

• 4/20/2016 Panthers rescind tag on Norman.  After dicking around for almost 8 weeks, Josh still hasn't signed.  Free Agency is now history and we couldn't play.  All we could afford was Boykin.  Time to move on.

• April 28-30 Draft.  Dave drafts all the connahs.  We have Bradberry, Boykin, and Benewikere with Worley in the wings.  Not bad.  Could be a learning curve for Bradberry, but two veterans should help.

• 5/16/2016 Panthers waive Boykin.  He has a degenerative hip?  Now on IR.  Has not played in 2016.

The season starts.  Bradberry gets hurt.  Benewikere is slow and out of shape.  We get torched.  Dave is blamed.

 

"But Norman wanted to be here".  incorrect - Norman wanted money. He wanted to be the highest paid corner in the league, and Dave helped make that possible by rescinding the tag.  Also picked up a third in the process.

"But Dave had all this 'Norman' money to get us a pro bowler".  incorrect - the money we had was tied up in the tag while free agency was going on.  He did the best he could with the little bit he had.  By the time we let Norman go, FA was basically over.

We had to tag Norman or we'd lose out on a comp pick.  But by tagging Norman, we no longer had money for free agency.  Norman held the panthers hostage and tried to squeeze Dave.  No one is really to blame - its just bidness.

 

[KARASMATIC444]

On 12/20/2016 at 0:08 AM, Cpt slay a ho said:

Still we'd be Playoff contender with him on the team


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Still are without him

[Cpt slay a ho]

Resigning players already on the team doesn't count as improvement. AND when he doesn't spend one penny to go get a blue chip player who isn't already on the team with all this cap money in his pocket I'm sure we won't see you supporters either. 

Save your breath amigo, not worth arguing with posters who can't or just don't want to understand a common negotiating tactic that's been going on for almost 3 decades, and also don't understand that rescinding the tag has been done ONCE in the last 2 decades and a half.


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[CatMan72]

Felt great to shut Norman up, Cam completed passes to his side of the field 4-5 times and Norman only produced one PBU on an "almost pick" (which counts for nothing). 

I like Josh, but he ran his mouth all week so I'm glad we shut him up. 

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Still are without him

Not this year


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[CPF4LIFE]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Please do point out all the blue chip free agents that wanted to sign with us and also go into detail about what kind of contracts they would have been rewarded out of your "come get your free money" negotiation tactics and how you would have worked it all under the salary cap.

Please point out where in my post I'm talking about anything regarding last off season and not giving my opinion on This UPCOMING off season. THIS GONNA BE GOOD. 

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Save your breath amigo, not worth arguing with posters who can't or just don't want to understand a common negotiating tactic that's been going on for almost 3 decades, and also don't understand that rescinding the tag has been done ONCE in the last 2 decades and a half.


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Lol...smh. I agree, it's amazing how one quality win can rev up the bandwagon with a 6-8 record. Im looking around and all the gettleman worshippers are hitting that reply button with avengeance after Mondays game. Like he still didn't cripple our season with his decision making. Call me not impressed until the off season starts in March and we see what he actually does with his new resources. That's what matters. 

[cookinwithgas]

Pretty indifferent to the playoff stuff, it's not like I'm gonna like it if the NFCS sends 2 teams there let's say...

But it reminded me of the old days of MNF, like against Green Bay when a mediocre team stepped up and had a great night smashing up the opponent. Nick Goings! And that was fun - no pressure.

[RoaringRiot]

@stbugs proving once again why he's a top 3 poster on this board 

[panthers55]

21 hours ago, stbugs said:

I agree. I just think it's one of those years. Things didn't bounce our way. I like the young guys we have for the future but I would have loved to had Norman. I wish he signed the tag and then we negotiated. I think he had a crappy agent and they played hardball and gave Gettleman the chance to think about all the guys coming up we wanted to sign (Turner, Norwell, Short, Star, etc.). I think Gettleman's mistake (and the coaches and players) was thinking we were good enough as is to make it to the playoffs easily. Gettleman knew we couldn't afford Norman long term so he decided to take a chance on rookies plus Bene coming back. He was right about the draft, last year and this upcoming year are loaded at CB, but he (and everyone else) was wrong about good enough. Luckily the D made adjustments and has played well enough after the bye but two pick sixes, not going for a 4th and 1, blowing a FG opportunity against KC and injuries hurt us enough that we weren't 7-1 after the bye, which we should have been.

Oh well, at least we're seeing the guys we saw last year and I'm looking forward to next year's run to the SB and winning it.

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Unfortunately you are right. But it wasn't just letting Josh go which can be explained away but  not replacing him with anyone else but a broken down Boykin who didn't even make it to training camp  and not thinking all those rookies were going to be abused.  That is what I hoped he learned last offseason. No team would or could have been expected to go 7-1 with what was touted before the season as the worse secondary in the league. They have lived up to that hype. This year he has to upgrade the offensive line and either sign KK and Star and Addison or bring in vets to replace them. Notice how Butler is finally coming into his own because he wasn't forced to start right away and could come in a backup and learn.

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Save your breath amigo, not worth arguing with posters who can't or just don't want to understand a common negotiating tactic that's been going on for almost 3 decades, and also don't understand that rescinding the tag has been done ONCE in the last 2 decades and a half.


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I get your point.  Its a negotiating tactic.  Dave offered a contract for 11 mil per year for 4-5 years or 14 mil for 1.  Either way, Norman would be the highest paid player on the team other than Cam.  The ball is in Norman's court.  He's not holding out but "negotiating" as you say.

So you are the GM.  You've got the MVP and pretty much everyone back on a 17-2 team and you're ready to make a run.  But Norman's negotiating tactic has caused you to miss possible opportunities to improve via free agency.  The draft is in 1 week.  If Norman holds out, you miss out on his services as well as a possible comp. pick next year.  What do you do?  Draft a cb?  Draft 2 cbs?  Do nothing and pray he eventually comes around?  Can a GM really afford to say 'he'll eventually sign, everyone else does'.  

Even after the tag was rescinded, Norman could have signed for 10-12 million per year (according to Voth).  That was still on the table.  But that wasn't enough for Norman.  Within days he signed with the Redskins for $15 per and we got our comp pick.

Dave gave Norman exactly what he wanted - the opportunity to sign a long-term contract for 15 mil per. Just not with us.