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Rivera on blowing leads

NAS

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ncfan Grand Master

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18 minutes ago, Asurfaholic said:

It's a relatively safe way to kill time while leading. Imagine cam throwing an interception instead of a run up the gut for -1 yard. Much worse indeed. You don't need homeruns when leading by 3 scores going into the 4th quarter. You need to protect the ball and run the clock off.

 

 

It is but you still have to balance.

If you make it so obvious that they overload the box. You might as well just take a knee.

 

Not saying sling a contested pass down the middle into double coverage.

A screen, playaction (where it atleast gives Cam the option to roll out and run)

 

After the 4th down stop at midfield.  Everyone out there including the announcers knew and were just begging for us to go playaction and take a shot.  

Detroit was the only ones besides ron/shula who knew otherwise.

Stacking the box, Stewart up the middle, 2 yard loss.

 

You think Detroit didnt know what we were doing?  While 6 out 7 2nd half drives started with a Stewart run.  

They knew damn well what we were going to do before we broke the huddle.

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UpstatePanther Newbie

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30 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Sure they may play a little softer but maybe, just maybe they are gassed and start missing tackles. 

perhaps. but we could solve that problem by sustaining offensive drives in the 4th quarter.

14 minutes ago, Asurfaholic said:

It's a relatively safe way to kill time while leading. Imagine cam throwing an interception instead of a run up the gut for -1 yard. Much worse indeed. You don't need homeruns when leading by 3 scores going into the 4th quarter. You need to protect the ball and run the clock off.

i hear what youre saying. but no one is asking for home runs. we are asking for points. touchdowns preferrably. we cant seem to even get in field goal range efficiently towards the end of a game. There's no reason we cant dink and dunk all the way down the field for a couple late scores every game. no need to risk interceptions. dial up endless high-percentage throws and pitch to CMC out in space (needs to happen anyway) if youre gonna run the ball. there's absolutely no excuse for not extending drives later in games and at least coming away with field goals.

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1 minute ago, ncfan said:

It is but you still have to balance.

If you make it so obvious that they overload the box. You might as well just take a knee.

 

Not saying sling a contested pass down the middle into double coverage.

A screen, playaction (where it atleast gives Cam the option to roll out and run)

 

After the 4th down stop at midfield.  Everyone out there including the announcers knew and were just begging for us to go playaction and take a shot.  

Detroit was the only ones besdies ron/shula who knew otherwise.

Stacking the box, Stewart up the middle, 2 yard loss.

 

You think Detroit didnt know what we were doing?  While 6 out 7 2nd half drives started with a Stewart run.  

They knew damn well what we were going to do before we broke the huddle.

I get it, I mean, its infuriating that there's not at least a little more variation in 1st down plays. As you mentioned there only seems to be one first down and 10 play on the books.

and I don't disagree with you on anything. My point was that even Ron seems to acknowledge things could have been better and while I find that satisfactory, others are still bashing him for it, despite top tier performance from the team the last 2 games especially, but even overall- 4-1 and against some strong teams.

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4 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

There's no reason we cant dink and dunk all the way down the field for a couple late scores every game. no need to risk interceptions. dial up endless high-percentage throws and pitch to CMC out in space (needs to happen anyway) if youre gonna run the ball. there's absolutely no excuse for not extending drives later in games and at least coming away with field goals.

Again, I agree.

and the coaching staff has said as much too. My issue is the constant negativity by certain posters, even when things are going well, and poised to get better.

seems so trivial given the fact the team plays amazing ball and is up far enough ahead that we can play so softly (like it or not) and still come out with the W

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ncfan Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Asurfaholic said:

I get it, I mean, its infuriating that there's not at least a little more variation in 1st down plays. As you mentioned there only seems to be one first down and 10 play on the books.

and I don't disagree with you on anything. My point was that even Ron seems to acknowledge things could have been better and while I find that satisfactory, others are still bashing him for it, despite top tier performance from the team the last 2 games especially, but even overall- 4-1 and against some strong teams.

Think everyone is so mad because its happened 

Over 

And over 

And over again.

 

He's acknowledged before and still the same thing.

You acknowledge a mistake multiple times but continue to make the same mistake, people are going to be pizzed.

He's been known for this dating back to a defensive Cordinator in San Diego. Anyone Rememeber Delhomme's comeback and game winning TD as time expires in San Diego?  Guess who's defense gave up the lead and game in the 2nd half??

He has also came about as close as you can get to being fired not to many years back for this very reason.

 

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1 hour ago, Asurfaholic said:

It's a relatively safe way to kill time while leading. Imagine cam throwing an interception instead of a run up the gut for -1 yard. Much worse indeed. You don't need homeruns when leading by 3 scores going into the 4th quarter. You need to protect the ball and run the clock off.

 

 

I couldn't disagree with this more...  this is the EXACT attitude RR has and it sucks.  I'd much rather lose trying to win than lose trying not to lose.

I fuging hate the Patriots with a passion, but you watch them play... they don't go soft and hope they don't fug up at the end of games... they play to win.

The players KNOW that Rivera doesn't trust them in big situations... this attitude is like a cancer to confidence and he's done it ever since he's been our head coach.

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Deflecting per par. It isn't the players Ron. He also completely left out the offense when talking about blown leads (cough cough Shula).

Look, I could see if you had Brian Hoyer, you would want to go conservative and milk the clock if you had a two score game. But we have Cam freakkin Newton, former MVP of the league. You take your damn chances and let the man continue to make plays. Not only does going conservative fug up our chances of winning, it fugs up Cam's rhythm. So now your relying on a out-of-rhythm Cam to bail your ass out at the end of a game or OT.

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