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Giants hire Mike Shula as OC

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panthers55 Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No it hasn't. Not if you've actually listened to what Gettleman has said about interfering with a coach and his staff in the past.

Interfering isn't the same as weighing in before they are hired. And he said that to the press in response to a question about personnel and he said it was Ron's decision but he didn't say he made that decision alone or in a vacuum. Just because it is in his sphere of responsibility doesn't mean he made the decision alone. He also said they worked as a team and made decisions together. 

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Ohhhhh.. DG apologist have a battle in their heads now..

And don't spend 80 post trying to convince ppl that Gettelmen had nothing to do with hire.. That is BS.. He had to sign off on this because his job is in jeopardy as well.. Hahahahaha

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Just now, CarolinaSamurai said:

He won't even be allowed to call plays hahaha wtf kinda poo is this

 

Hey, gotta give props to Shula. Sweet gig. Honestly, I think the main reason he's being brought in is because they pretty much know they're taking a QB at #2 overall and they're relying on Shula to help him make the transition to the NFL just like he did with Cam.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Try to keep up with the thread, champ. Read through again. You'll understand my point.

None of that explains:

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Gettleman wanted this guy bad enough that he eventually hired him as a head coach, yet he stepped aside and allowed Ron to hire the guy that he wanted.

Which seems to imply that you think DG fuged up when he was here by not doing something he wanted to do badly. If that's not what you were trying to say then I apologize for reading it wrong.

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15 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

BS. It is the head coache's job to hire and fire their staff but a GM won't bring anyone on they don't like or can't work with. They have input for sure but the actually hiring and firing is the coaches job. But to assume the GM has no say when this impacts their job greatly is naive at best.

Pretty much every team in the NFL runs this way.

As to the Panthers, Gettleman was specifically asked about it when Shurmur was hired. Stated that he had wanted to hire Shurmur here but Ron chose Shula and it was his call.

Likewise, back when people were calling for Richard Rodgers to be fired, Gettleman's specifically told reporters in his presser "That's a Ron question". He added that he could "make suggestions" but that her never step on Ron's toes.

And also, we already know from Voth and other sources that Gettleman was putting pressure on Rivera to fire Shula and Dorsey last year, but Rivera "stuck his neck out" to keep them.

But of course, I realize your theories carry more weight than the statements of people who are actually involved :eyeroll:

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Just as a reminder...

Why didn't Dave Gettleman hire Pat Shurmur as OC when he interviewed in Carolina a few years back in his first week as GM? Said it was Ron Rivera's call and "I would never force a head coach" to hire an assistant.
 
Gettleman wanted this guy bad enough that he eventually hired him as a head coach, yet he stepped aside and allowed Ron to hire the guy that he wanted.

 

Saying you wouldn't force a HC to hire a coordinator they didn't want is a far cry from saying you will not have input or nix someone you don't like. One is talking about setting up your head coach with someone he doesn't want versus having input and making sure you can live with the choice as well.

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1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

None of that explains:

Which seems to imply that you think DG fuged up when he was here by not doing something he wanted to do badly. If that's not what you were trying to say then I apologize for reading it wrong.

You're reading it wrong. My point was that despite how much Gettleman wanted this guy, he stuck with his philosophy of not interfering with a coach assembling his own staff.

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Just now, panthers55 said:

Saying you wouldn't force a HC to hire a coordinator they didn't want is a far cry from saying you will not have input or nix someone you don't like. One is talking about setting up your head coach with someone he doesn't want versus having input and making sure you can live with the choice as well.

Maybe. It's a much different story now that it's coming out that Shula is basically going to be a figurehead OC in name only. He's basically going to be this rookie QB's babysitter. 

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

You're reading it wrong. My point was that despite how much Gettleman wanted this guy, he stuck with his philosophy of not interfering with a coach assembling his own staff.

Yeah got it now. Despite the connection I don't see DG having much to do with Shurmur hiring Shula. At this point in the year there aren't really many solid candidates out there and it seems like it was between Shula and Bevell... Shula's probably better to be Shurmur's lacky.

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