The coming offseason

[ImaginaryKev]

Also free safety but we haven't had a good free safety since ever so I'm not even expecting it to be upgraded. Might always be weak there. It happens. 

[raleigh-panther]

Tepper isn’t a self made billionaire by being stupid

i suspect he will pull from the Steelers for his staff

I had hoped for a Super Bowl after 20 years of psl ownership but short of a miracle, that won’t happen

the Panthers are just another team 

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

Good lord this place is cancerous. How about we just enjoy the fact that we have panthers football for the next six weeks and meaningful games at that. 

Lord knows we can have all these coaching and personnel conversations in the actual offseason. 

 

@Mr. Scot the Hall Monitors seem to be disappointed with your chosen topic.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

4 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

Good lord this place is cancerous. How about we just enjoy the fact that we have panthers football for the next six weeks and meaningful games at that. 

Lord knows we can have all these coaching and personnel conversations in the actual offseason. 

 

panthers arent winning a playoff game on the road. season is done no matter what you think

edit: this upcoming draft is deep in d-lineman, i would double dip TBH. id give the secondary and linebacker core another shot with a new DC who knows what he's doing

[Mr. Scot]

I've heard a few folks elsewhere suggest we keep Marty Hurney and fire Ron Rivera.

Honestly, that's probably the least likely scenario there is. 

Unless Tepper steps in and overrides Hurney (which, if he felt the need to do that, why keep him) Ron's likely safe. On his own initiative, Marty is not going to fire Ron. And frankly, I don't see much logic in the idea that Tepper would keep one or the other.  I think both go or both stay.

So basically, if you're voting to keep Hurney, you're also voting to keep Rivera and put our current leadership in charge of next year's retooling.

If you really wanna see that... yikes

[Goondal]

19 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

 Do you trust our current leadership to set the Panthers up for the foreseeable future?

I would not trust current leadership to buy my Panthers clothing for the foreseeable future

[rippadonn]

17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think we need to just create a separate sub-forum and banish Nails and sanjay to it where they can spam away to their hearts' content about Hardy and TEs.

Regardless if what the different public opinions may be on the football field that was one of the single greatest losses of talent right behind #90 & #89. Imagine a Panther team in 2015 with #89 and #76 on it? Yeah,

I'm not on the TE train but fully on the DE train. They need someone other than Pep to consistently step up. Pep used to run guys right into Mike Rucker so I'm not counting sacks I'm talking about disruptiveness at that position.

Before they drafted KK and Star I was beating the DE drum for a couple years on this site so I can understand Nails, fully. Pep can't do it all anymore, lucky he's here actually. The guy needs help. We need pressure. Not getting it.

[Raleigh PF]

It's not like Tepper knew nothing about the Panthers before he took ownership. I have no doubt he had an opinion about the Panthers, including Hurney and Rivera before he took ownership. Making a change when he purchased the Panthers would have been bad timing. 

He likely sees what we all see - the Panthers have a TON of talent that is not being realized. Change is in order and that right soon. I'm sure Tepper wants to hear what Hurney's plan for the offseason is going to be. If it doesn't completely align with what Tepper is envisioning, then I would expect changes to be made. There will be no better time, considering the heart of the franchise (Cam, Luke) is starting to age.

[panther4life]

First a word on Gettleman

My personal opinion is another season in and more of Gettlemans flaws have been further exposed. 

The Matt Kalil contract is worse contract in this franchise history. Gettlemans drafts continue to look weak. Out of his 5 draft classes all we have to show for it is McCaffrey, Short,Thompson,Turner,Samuel,Moton,Bradberry,Funchess, Butler and Mayo. There’s a good chance we can remove Funchess from that list after this season as well. Plus let’s be honest, Butler is looking more and more like a waste of a 1st round pick.

Although he’s only 1 offseason removed from being the GM, Peppers and Adams and Munnerlyn are his only free agent additions to currently see the field.

Now on to Hurney:

With only 1 full offseason under his belt since his return,  he’s  drafted 2 immediate impact starting caliber players in Moore and Jackson. Thomas,Gaulden,Carter and Haynes appear to be good development picks for now as well. 

He also had the foresight to dump Benjamin for a 3rd while he could. Picked up Poe for half the price of Star. Salvaged something out of Worley (Smith) and found another upgrade to our WR corps in adding Wright. All with limited cap space this offseason.

Now Rivera:

The rest of this season is make or break for him. His job security largely looms on us still making the playoffs. Not saying getting in alone would save him but if we fall out of it and I think hes certain to be fired. Win a playoff game or more and I think he’s bought himself another season. 

Final thoughts:

If we miss the playoffs or or fail to win at least 9 games im all in on parting with Rivera. If that happens and Hurney is a casualty along with him then so be it, but I’ll think he got a raw deal and think it may be harder to replace him than it would be Rivera.

On the flip side it would be tough to clean house or fire either if we rebound and make the playoffs, especially if we can win at least 1 playoff game. 

Bottom line is there’s a lot of season left and I feel fairly confident when can bounce back. It all starts this Sunday against the Seahawks. I’m rooting for them to succeed because I think we have the potential to get hot and go on a run but that needs to start this week. 

 

[CamStan]

Wow, after reading this thread, there are a lot more smarter Panthers fans than I realized. Yes, Ron and Hurn gotta go. Period. It's time for Tepper to really take a hold of this franchise. We can't waste Cam when we have a chance for 1-2 Super Bowls before he retires. 

[trueblade]

On 11/21/2018 at 2:28 PM, Raleigh PF said:

It's not like Tepper knew nothing about the Panthers before he took ownership. I have no doubt he had an opinion about the Panthers, including Hurney and Rivera before he took ownership. Making a change when he purchased the Panthers would have been bad timing. 

He likely sees what we all see - the Panthers have a TON of talent that is not being realized. Change is in order and that right soon. I'm sure Tepper wants to hear what Hurney's plan for the offseason is going to be. If it doesn't completely align with what Tepper is envisioning, then I would expect changes to be made. There will be no better time, considering the heart of the franchise (Cam, Luke) is starting to age.

If I remember the article right, Tepper asked the people in Pittsburgh and got glowing reviews of both Rivera and Hurney. I kind of wonder who Tepper talked to.

[WonderBoy]

1 minute ago, trueblade said:

If I remember the article right, Tepper asked the people in Pittsburgh and got glowing reviews of both Rivera and Hurney. I kind of wonder who Tepper talked to.

Probably people who realized the Steelers and Panthers were playing this year and the game would be really easy for the Steelers to win if Rivera was still there (which it was).

[TheSpecialJuan]

On 11/20/2018 at 7:41 PM, TheSpecialJuan said:

Player	Pos.	2018 Team	2019 Team	Type ▴	Current APY	Guarantees
Travaris Cadet	RB	Panthers		UFA	$790,000	$0
Fozzy Whittaker	RB	Panthers		UFA	$1,250,000	$500,000
Wes Horton	43DE	Panthers		UFA	$1,350,000	$425,000
Devin Funchess	WR	Panthers		UFA	$1,380,223	$3,396,142
Eric Reid	S	Panthers		UFA	$1,390,000	$0
Marshall Newhouse	LT	Panthers		UFA	$1,500,000	$500,000
Cameron Artis-Payne	RB	Panthers		UFA	$611,563	$166,252
David Mayo	ILB	Panthers		UFA	$611,563	$166,252
Mike Adams	S	Panthers		UFA	$2,100,000	$1,150,000
Julius Peppers	43DE	Panthers		UFA	$5,000,000	$2,500,000
Ryan Kalil	C	Panthers		UFA	$8,375,000	$11,000,000
Daryl Williams	RT	Panthers		UFA	$709,280	$557,120
Kenjon Barner	RB	Panthers		UFA	$790,000	$0
Thomas Davis	43OLB	Panthers		UFA	$6,750,000	$3,000,000
Ben Jacobs	43OLB	Panthers		UFA	$832,500	$100,000
Amini Silatolu	LT	Panthers		UFA	$880,000	$90,000
Chris Clark	RT	Panthers		UFA	$915,000	$0
Kyle Love	43DT	Panthers		UFA	$1,100,000	$200,000
Colin Jones	S	Panthers		UFA	$1,200,000	$400,000
Jared Norris	43OLB	Panthers		RFA	$546,667	$20,000
Damiere Byrd	WR	Panthers		RFA	$630,000	$0
Chris Manhertz	TE	Panthers		RFA	$630,000	$0
Damian Parms	S	Panthers		ERFA	$480,000	$0
Efe Obada	43DE	Panthers		ERFA	$480,000	$0
Bryan Cox Jr.	43DE	Panthers		ERFA	$510,000	$0
Taylor Heinicke	QB	Panthers		ERFA	$660,000	$0
Elijah Hood	RB	Panthers		ERFA	$480,000	$0

We have 15 players who are 30 or older on our current roster, 11 of them will be UFA's after the season. Roster turn over will be substantial this offseason.