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Ron Rivera: Just Average

BrianS

By BrianS,
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2 hours ago, mc52beast said:

I don’t understand how people can say Ron is a top 7-10 coach when he’s had three winning seasons. He hasn’t really done much more than Fox. I like the guy as a person but his style is wearing thin, I think it shows on the field. Players haven’t stopped playing for him but they aren’t giving 100% either

The bar's low. Charlotte's had a number of truly awful professional sports seasons between its two teams. One great season run buys a coach ten years of mediocrity in this town. Rivera will have defenders through the end just like Fox did. 

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I have Ron as a little above average coach, but I'm ready to move on because it's time. The way I get to above average is by listing the coaches and realizing there's a lot of bad ones in the league, and every bad team seems to think they have the worst one. 

 

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9 hours ago, BrianS said:

As a one time supporter of Rivera, it's sad to say that the numbers don't lie.  He's average.

 

Honestly, I feel that's a bit insulting to average. The record indicates it but the real life factors do not. People say players make the coaches or coaches make the players and year there is a blur to those distinctions, but what qualities has Ron shown that contribute to the winning side to make it look like he helped with that?

He's always had a stale and outdated philosophy in how he views the game. He's not really adaptable. He doesn't hire the best man for the job and puts the guys he likes in place. He's done that with both players and coaches and it happens a lot. A couple of the times I might understand to a degree but damn he'll play players that should never see the field over players that show something and often to the detriment of the team. Likewise with his coaching selection sticking with shitty ones who obviously are sucking for a loooooonnnng time. He sucks a time management and situational awareness. He has a habit of blaming others in some shape or form. He mishandles key situations like Cam's injury stuff or playing key players and putting them at risk at meaningless times just cause. He's a defensive genius who defense has gotten burned quite a bit and this year looks like one of if not the worst overall defense. To me, thats crazy that would be like if Sean Payton's offense was the worst. I mean yeah they had down years but their offense is always pretty good. How is the thing your great at, that you use some many resources and effort in such damn terrible? Idk he just doesn't have many good qualities and doesn't seem like a good leader in relation to football and I do feel he's gotten quite lucky having superstars like Cam and Luke and other players to step up and make him seem at least average. Could there be worse? Sure, but i'm pretty sure we can do better and its time.

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7 hours ago, coralreefer_1 said:

Not to support RR, but you cant run an "average" when you exclude a whole year of games! That is not how averages work. You don't get to exclude the year we did well just to justify the narrative you want to paint.  

And RR isnt poo without coordinators? That's like saying Cam isnt poo without an O-line, or CMC isnt poo without lead blockers. Such is a GIVEN! That is how teams work: Those at the top rely and depend on others to do their job. 

Thank you for bringing some intelligence to this thread. 

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10 hours ago, coralreefer_1 said:

Not to support RR, but you cant run an "average" when you exclude a whole year of games! That is not how averages work. You don't get to exclude the year we did well just to justify the narrative you want to paint.  

And RR isnt poo without coordinators? That's like saying Cam isnt poo without an O-line, or CMC isnt poo without lead blockers. Such is a GIVEN! That is how teams work: Those at the top rely and depend on others to do their job. 

56% with the 15-1 season

Still average

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8 hours ago, CRA said:

last half decade in the books....

no team has had more success than the Panthers in the NFCS.   Pending the Saints don't win the Super Bowl this year.  Adding in this year to make it the last 6, even the Saints don't jump the Panthers in that window of recent history. 

Easy to get rid of Ron.  Easier to get a worse coach.  So before we get a new one.....let's make sure we can get a better one. 

 

Take out all the Gettleman years and Rivera isn't even average.

If you wanna stick with Rivera, you're gonna need a good enough GM to cover his weaknesses. Hurney isn't it.

And frankly, if you're gonna change GMs,  you need to not rehash the mistake Richardson made by forcing the new GM to stick with Rivera. 

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8 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

I think what he is saying is that McDermott was already an established coordinator that Ron really did not teach a thing to. The others up under him were not established coordinators but thrust into the position and as a manager Ron should have mentored more to make them better, but since he does not have that skill set both Wilks and Washington failed. How he did not see that Washington was not ready and step in earlier when Cam wasn' so hurt is beyond me. Pittsburgh game told the truth about Rivera. He ran away from his responsibiity to the team and fans.  The team has struggled on defense the whole yr and now with playoff chances gone he decides oh I'm going to step in. It's too little too late. Playcalling has been questionable too and yes Cam has missed wide open wrs. My question is why are we throwing the ball inside the 5 when they know his shoulder is hurt. The games when Cam wasn t hurt or complaining about his shoulder we ran the ball. I just don' understand this staff at all.

Poor judgement by the coaching staff has hurt this team all yr and they haven't learned a dang thing. Rivera yes I agree a below average to average coach ceiling no higher 

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