Argue Rivera's case

[Kevin Greene]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I don't think I can survive another season as a Panthers' fan with Rivera at the helm.

[carpanfan96]

can we do a Hurney version? lol

[Jangler]

fresh Krispy Kremes and coffee!!!

 

you know the light is not always on. opportunity missed.

[Moose Hoover]

9 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Crickets

they are a great source of B12

[GoobyPls]

The main thing he has going for him is that the locker room loves and respects him.

[raz]

saints and falcons have him figured out.  we are gonna have to have better talent across the board than either team to beat them.  coaching and scheme aren't going to do it with these imbeciles

[emhoward]

My only defense of Rivera came before his defense collapsed this year, now I have nothing. Time to move on.

[bigdog10]

I’ll play along (even though I want him fired)

The only case to keep Rivera is that he is potentially tied to the continuing career of Cam Newton in Carolina. Wholesale changes to the staff could come with a mindset that the QB position needs an overhaul as well (especially given the current health of Cam). Is everyone, who wants Ron gone, willing to accept that a new coach/gm may not have Newton in the future plans?

Now before all the Newton guys come in saying Cam will absolutely be retained despite a new coach, I’m not disagreeing with that. This is simply and example of something that COULD happen. Especially if a new coach falls in love with a qb in this years draft. 

My second point is that Cam was having the best year of his career throwing the ball under Norv when he was healthy.  He was doing things that many pundits and fans said he couldn’t do (transition to an accurate pocket passer).   He was doing all that even without his deep ball and while essentially throwing to three rookies (DJ, Samuel, and Thomas. Yes I know Samuel is in his second year but due to injury he’s was essentially a rookie this year).

Firing Rivera means you force Cam to learn an entirely new system in an offseason that he MAY be coming off another surgery. Do you really want that?  Wouldn’t it be better to have Cam in the same system if he has another abbreviated offseason due to a surgery or missed time?

That’s the best I’ve got. 

[Mr. Scot]

Even if Rivera is retained, the health of Newton's shoulder worries me.

I was previously feeling at least half decent about it, but the news that he's not going to seek a second opinion on it kinda put a damper on that.

[Moo Daeng]

I have a difficult time other than Tepper preaching patience and the focus on the new training facilities.

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

I’ll play along (even though I want him fired)

The only case to keep Rivera is that he is potentially tied to the continuing career of Cam Newton in Carolina. Wholesale changes to the staff could come with a mindset that the QB position needs an overhaul as well (especially given the current health of Cam). Is everyone, who wants Ron gone, willing to accept that a new coach/gm may not have Newton in the future plans?

Now before all the Newton guys come in saying Cam will absolutely be retained despite a new coach, I’m not disagreeing with that. This is simply and example of something that COULD happen. Especially if a new coach falls in love with a qb in this years draft. 

My second point is that Cam was having the best year of his career throwing the ball under Norv when he was healthy.  He was doing things that many pundits and fans said he couldn’t do (transition to an accurate pocket passer).   He was doing all that even without his deep ball and while essentially throwing to three rookies (DJ, Samuel, and Thomas. Yes I know Samuel is in his second year but due to injury he’s was essentially a rookie this year).

Firing Rivera means you force Cam to learn an entirely new system in an offseason that he MAY be coming off another surgery. Do you really want that?  Wouldn’t it be better to have Cam in the same system if he has another abbreviated offseason due to a surgery or missed time?

That’s the best I’ve got. 

Well considering the "same system" has produced absolutely nothing as far as a SB title then why keep it?  Consistently being mediocre is nothing to hang your hat on.

I'm at the point that I don't care who is left to build on.  From what I'm hearing Cam isn't going to get a second opinion so there will be no surgery.  If that the case nothing will change next season.  The soreness will reemerge at some point and then we're right back where we are now.  This team is fubar and its time to blow it up.  

[SmokinwithWilly]

Tepper wants a new stadium deal and the only way he can relocate to south Florida is by driving attendance into the toilet. 

Then Ron can bring the team together and win the whole fuggin thing. 

[hepcat]

He's shown a propensity to recover after a down year, the team has been competitive about 70% of the games under his watch, and the team generally seems to like him.

[MHS831]

You have to put emotions and bias on the shelf and promote Rivera's case--so I get all of the cackling, but if you were my defense attorney, I would be concerned.

Rivera was the NFL coach of the year 2 times in 8 seasons (assuming he does not win the honor this year)

He has a .555 winning percentage as a head coach here (70-56-1).

There have been no major scandals

The team is usually toward the bottom of the league in penalties

Consistency is usually better than turnover

He can be counseled to work on his weaknesses--such as his blind loyalty to veterans and personnel issues

He can be taught game situations so that he manages the clock better.

He is a player's coach