Todd Mcshay joined the Haterade club

[MasterAwesome]

As already mentioned a few times in this thread, making all these strong assertions about how good/bad a draft was, before any of these players take the field, is obnoxious and ignorant...and that goes for Gettleman’s draft too. This applies to all these “analysts”, but even more to us fans.

I would compare it to the WebMD doctors at home who type in a few medical symptoms into google and then proceed to unironically diagnose themselves or others, and even combat the opinion of doctors when they go in for a medical exam...like “Well I googled this, and I actually think you’re wrong and it might be this instead”. Aside from not being professional scouts, we also don’t have access to things like physical exams/medical history, proper film (not YouTube highlights), interviews/visits, and countless other variables that would factor into a prospect’s overall grade. So grading players without the entire picture is like trying to make a medical diagnosis without any examination or lab work. Even a doctor would have a tough time with the latter...let alone someone on the couch with zero training or experience. And yes there may be “bad” doctors who are worse than other doctors and might make more misdiagnoses, but they’re still infinitely more capable than random Joe Schmo on his couch at home.

Have a little self-awareness and recognize your limitations...this epitomizes the Dunning-Kruger Effect/Delusions of Grandeur. Especially when people say stuff like “X player would have been available as an UFA!!”. So dumb...get outta here with that nonsense.

 

And no I’m not saying you should be quiet and support everything the team does...that’s why I’m not advocating for the opposite either, of proclaiming this the greatest draft ever and that we hit it out of the park. The most reasonable thing to do is to feel assured that we drafted some players in some areas of need and then hope these players pan out. You can justifiably disagree with a pick because it is your opinion that another player would have made a bigger impact, but throwing a fit and straight up trashing a pick or a GM at this point is so damn obnoxious.

[The Lobo]

2 hours ago, Shocker said:

He is wrong a lot, just like everyone else.

He once said Peterman was a great pick for the Bills and that Gabbert was better than Cam...

Whos to say we won’t use Burns like Barr and then use him as a 3-4LB?

[Montsta]

If McShay quadrupled his prediction accuracy percentage, he’d still be less accurate than a weather man. 

[Peppers90 NC]

26 pressures allowed on over 950+ pass attempts is pretty amazing especially playing in the sec

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I can answer that. The combine happened in between and to say Little did poorly is not an understatement

This raises an interesting question.  And I am not pointing it at you specifically.

We constantly harp that "Combine Warriors" are over hyped due to a few good days at the Combine and shouldn't be regarded so highly.  Example.  Metcalf.

Should the opposite apply?  Should a good prospect who has a bad day at the Combine automatically drop?

Or is the Combine a 1 way street.  You can either "stay the same" or "get worse"?

 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, stbugs said:

The reason I didn’t like or want Little was not the workout numbers, which weren’t good. I thought he had terrible footwork and hips/movement in the drills. I pointed out an example where there showed the backpedal/hip swivel drill and a play by James Daniels (loved him in last year’s draft) did that same move and saved Trubitzky’s ass on a blitz/stunt. He had one responsibility and swiveled like a mad man and got another rusher. Little based on that drill gets Cam killed.

I really hope he works out but I was really vocal with my dislike especially with the trade up. He looked like a great college tackle who got away with stuff he won’t be able to in the NFL. I hope I’m wrong. 

I know, and I wasn't meaning to imply his work out numbers were the reason you didn't like him.

It was more of a general question.  We (as fans) like to say someone like Metcalf is over rated due to just being a Combine Warrior.  I just found it interesting, how we (generally speaking), often don't give the same benefit of a doubt to someone we previously liked..but did poorly at the Combine.  

[SCO96]

26 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

This raises an interesting question.  And I am not pointing it at you specifically.

We constantly harp that "Combine Warriors" are over hyped due to a few good days at the Combine and shouldn't be regarded so highly.  Example.  Metcalf.

Should the opposite apply?  Should a good prospect who has a bad day at the Combine automatically drop?

Or is the Combine a 1 way street.  You can either "stay the same" or "get worse"?

 

• Combine data I found on Jerry Rice's 40 time in 1985
• According to Bill Walsh in an oft-quoted interview, it was a 4.59.
• According to Gil Brandt, it was no better than a 4.55: "We timed Jerry in the 40 nine times,” said former Dallas Cowboys general manager Gil Brandt, “and he never got under 4.55."
• Later on Rice was quoted as saying he didn't know how to run the 40 yard dash.
•  

According to the combine stats, Jerry Rice was slow WR. Of course, those of us who saw him play remember that his game speed was among the best we've ever seen for a receiver.

Game film and live action should always carry more weight than combine drills when assessing a player. Some players have the ability to excel with pads on in game situations, even though their combine data may suggest other wise. Other players with "great measurables" tend to do the opposite. 

If you want to see how good Little is in pass protection and run blocking, take a look at the film and see how he did week in and week out against the best competition in the SEC

PS...those links listed above do not work. 

[trueblade]

Rice also played in an era before guys spent three months after the football season learning to be track stars. I think it was Rashan Gary who worked out at Michael Johnson's (Olympic Gold medalist sprinter) training facility leading up to the Combine.

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

I can’t see pick 100 as a major reach, he was consistently ranked higher than both of those two QBs.

That said, he’s right to question Little. Some like him more than others but he’s the pick that in 3 years we either have an A draft or a D. There’s a lot of people in here that don’t like to question things but I’m worried about Little. I can’t make that assumption that he solves our LT issue. If he doesn’t we blew our entire day 3, which is where I thought we’d have to excel. If he does, trading up was worth it and pick 77 or 100 didn’t matter. With the way Hurney drafts, he’d have taken Grier at 77 instead.

Little was on a lot of draft boards as a 1st rounder, and the panthers did a lot of research on him. I find it hard not to be excited about him. Jeez, I hope I'm right. 

The only thing that I know about Greir is that the Panthers were in love with him from the start.

[MasterAwesome]

12 minutes ago, stbugs said:

If I hadn’t watched the combine then I’d probably be OK. He stood out to me in a bad way. As weird as it sounds, I hope he wasn’t prepared or maybe wasn’t trying too hard and it wasn’t that he’s not as agile as people think when talking about a true LT.

Also, his stock absolutely was dropping through the process. He was a top tackle to start and slowly moved down a lot of boards. The places that value the colleg play (like PFF) still had him ranked high. 

Maybe he pulled a Kelvin Benjamin and “purposely” bombed the combine so that he could drop to the Panthers (lol)

[ncfan]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

I can answer that. The combine happened in between and to say Little did poorly is not an understatement.

I didnt watch to deep into the OL drills at the combine

I remember reading everywhere he bombed the combined and the big thing they pointed was the 40 time.   40 times for a OL is about as pointless as if they made kickers throw the ball for distance 

 

Little had a faster shuttle, longer broad jump, and higher vert.  So his explosivness and quickness was still better than the top OT in the class.  He also had longer arms that about all the OTs in the class including Jawaan Taylor

[Boxhead85]

Bet if the Patriots took Grier at 101 he'd give them an A for the pick. Fug him and Kiper.

[Panthers8969]

Who the hell is todd mcshay

[TheSpecialJuan]

brutal