Panthers had Grier ahead of Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones

[MillionDollarCam]

15 hours ago, SBiii said:

In 2 preseason games he's 16-for-19 throwing w/ 0 INT's and an average QBR of about 145 give or take.  Nice ass. 

I’m glad he’s lighting up Joe Blow Community College players in glorified scrimmages.

 

[PleaseCutStewart]

2 hours ago, JARROD said:

Jeez,.. so after a couple of quarters in the NFL preseason the dude is a total bust. 

I was mad about the pick, thought there were plenty of other people we could draft, safeties, corners and such we need.

now we drafted Will,... I’m not going to do the “see I told ya so, should have drafted my guy because I know more than the professionals” bit.

maybe after 3 seasons.

Jared Goff pretty much got the Bust label fast, looked terrible and since then he’s done pretty darn well.

In all fairness, Goff has a top 3 o-line, plenty of weapons, and a top 10 defense. He pretty much just has to be Trent Dilfer out there to win a superbowl, yet he still poo the bed against the Pats.

I hope the Rams give him some ridiculous contract, because then they wont be able to pay the rest of their players

[TheRed]

27 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Did he throw a touchdown pass in his first preseason game? He definitely threw a lot of picks as a rookie too. Just goes to show it isn’t so much the facts as which facts you want to highlight and which facts you want to ignore.  

Look, I’m not expecting Grier to light the world on fire or even look prepared yet. He needs a year before anyone can really figure out what he is. Anything otherwise is just unreasonable and illogical.

That said, it is important to point out that a lot of great QBs suck their first preseason and Cam, despite what you want to believe, was one of them. And that’s OK because he proved he belonged despite people making “Cam is not ready” threads after his second preseason game. 

Come on, you know I had to break your balls a little lol.

In all seriousness I am not declaring anyone a "bust" or anything of the sort. Grier has a lot of football left. For all we know he could end up lighting up the Patriots defense next game.

All that being said, one thing I'm not going to sit here and do, is entertain too many comparisons to how Cam may have played in preseason. There's only one Cam Newton in the NFL, and despite that I've seen countless occasions where fans have called for his benching after one or two errant throws. Let's not get carried away in either direction on this Grier stuff. He is unequivocally getting the benefit of the doubt. He's a rookie.

[45catfan]

Unless you are looking for a franchise QB, you have no business drafting a QB on day 1 or 2.  It's a wasted pick.  My preference is to pluck FA backups from other rosters that have some NFL experience under their belts. Some examples: Derek Anderson, Jake Delhomme, Steve Beurlein etc..  Instead of that, now we take guys that were in camps with other teams, got cut and were lucky to make the practice squad.  To top it off, we draft a project rookie that may be decent after four years of development just to have him plucked away in FA by some cap rich team.

 

[falconidae]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Both Grier and Allen have shown mobility.  Allen has shown arm strength.  Both of which are irrelevant if you can't throw the ball to the receiver.  
 

That being said, some of the reactions here are ludicrous.  Our backups are very raw.  I don't expect them to look good.  The Bills backup Mccoy has more experience than all of our backups combined.  Of course, they are going to look bad.  

Did you watch the video? If Grier had done the same exact thing people here would be overjoyed, with good reason. Thought Rodgers looked really good in that video, for a rookie QB. 

Yeah, Grier was less than impressive. Hell, I was disappointed and I'm not even a panthers fan. But, lets see what he looks like next year at this time.

[Carl Spackler]

59 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Come on, you know I had to break your balls a little lol.

In all seriousness I am not declaring anyone a "bust" or anything of the sort. Grier has a lot of football left. For all we know he could end up lighting up the Patriots defense next game.

All that being said, one thing I'm not going to sit here and do, is entertain too many comparisons to how Cam may have played in preseason. There's only one Cam Newton in the NFL, and despite that I've seen countless occasions where fans have called for his benching after one or two errant throws. Let's not get carried away in either direction on this Grier stuff. He is unequivocally getting the benefit of the doubt. He's a rookie.

Personally I look for him to struggle against NE and look better against Pittsburgh. It annoys me seeing the same 5-6 people on here rip on him all the time, no matter what. Just like it annoyed me in 2011.

[JARROD]

2 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

In all fairness, Goff has a top 3 o-line, plenty of weapons, and a top 10 defense. He pretty much just has to be Trent Dilfer out there to win a superbowl, yet he still poo the bed against the Pats.

I hope the Rams give him some ridiculous contract, because then they wont be able to pay the rest of their players

I’m not talking about wins and losses, Rams overall record. Im also not talking about the situation with having cheap rookie quarterbacks as the new way to game the system for a Super Bowl.

Goff went from not being able to complete a forward pass to being pretty damn good.  That’s what I am talking about. 

Sure, Trent Dilfer,... or a Jake Delhomme for that matter. You can win with them.  If that’s what Will Grier is, then that’s great!

 

 

[Benotheking]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Unless you are looking for a franchise QB, you have no business drafting a QB on day 1 or 2.  It's a wasted pick.  My preference is to pluck FA backups from other rosters that have some NFL experience under their belts. Some examples: Derek Anderson, Jake Delhomme, Steve Beurlein etc..  Instead of that, now we take guys that were in camps with other teams, got cut and were lucky to make the practice squad.  To top it off, we draft a project rookie that may be decent after four years of development just to have him plucked away in FA by some cap rich team.

 

Exactly if the ultimate goal was to compete for the playoffs just in case Cam gets hurt again, you get a QB from free agency that's not a project 3rd round pick that will struggle cause he's a rookie. That would also allow the panthers to address others need with that 3rd round pick.

Lets be honesty if Cam goes down its over and the likelihood that Grier becomes the franchise QB of the future is very slim so why invest a 3rd round, I never understood the pick.

[RumHam]

This is why Hurney can't draft. He goes with the safe bet, but thinks highly of others. However, I'm still in on Grier and FFS he was a third round pick and I also agree coming in, he's better than those two because those two are ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. Grier should have been out there with the one's this game, not Kyle Allen. We better be starting Cam CMC DJ Samuel everybody for atleast a quarter against the CHOWDAH PAAAAANTS

[SBiii]

8 hours ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I’m glad he’s lighting up Joe Blow Community College players in glorified scrimmages.

It's the preseason.  The question was which QB has lit it up in the first 2 preseason games of their career --- Dan Jones is that guy.

They all played similar competition in their first 2 pre-season game, it's an apples-to-apples comparison.

Why do you find these facts so unpalatable?

[Verge]

People overreact to preseason action waaaay too much.

[raz]

to be clear, goff could throw.  it was jeff fischer that was the problem.  really wish vince young wouldn't have been saddled with him too.   and daniel jones sure looks better than i thought he would, in preaseason, against 2's.

[MillionDollarCam]

On 8/18/2019 at 10:49 PM, SBiii said:

It's the preseason.  The question was which QB has lit it up in the first 2 preseason games of their career --- Dan Jones is that guy.

They all played similar competition in their first 2 pre-season game, it's an apples-to-apples comparison.

Why do you find these facts so unpalatable?

Because the preseason is absolutely pointless.

You can’t gauge a guys talent by his play against guys who may not even be in the NFL.

Additionally, grading any player after a few preseason games is silly.

Doing so gets you into the thought process where players like Jimmy G are actually worth 2nd round picks.

 

[Basbear]

On 8/18/2019 at 3:15 PM, 45catfan said:

Unless you are looking for a franchise QB, you have no business drafting a QB on day 1 or 2.  It's a wasted pick.  My preference is to pluck FA backups from other rosters that have some NFL experience under their belts. Some examples: Derek Anderson, Jake Delhomme, Steve Beurlein etc..  Instead of that, now we take guys that were in camps with other teams, got cut and were lucky to make the practice squad.  To top it off, we draft a project rookie that may be decent after four years of development just to have him plucked away in FA by some cap rich team.

 

I disagree. A reasons why; backup QB can be a top 5 position value in some peoples mind. Pats, Green bay, and Pittsburgh have all spent day 1/2 draft picks on QBs while having one playing. Market for QB is insane, so is the backup. Rookie contracts are 4 years locked cheap compared. Plus the guy is in your system and knows to better most times than a street QB. You can trade the backup for picks and if he signs else where, a juicy comp pick is waiting in return.