Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Kyle Allen - No.1 Pro Style QB

Varking

By Varking,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

Varking Grand Master

Varking

Posted
Posted

https://247sports.com/Player/Kyle-Allen-19707/

How did he go from #1 High School Pro Style QB to undrafted? He set the Army Bowl record going 12 of 18 for 183 yards at the 2014 Army Bowl All American Game. He beat out two QBs at Texas A&M including Kyler Murray to win the job. Then decided with a few weeks left of his Sophomore campaign he was transferring to Houston where he lost his job after 3 games and decided to declare for the draft knowing he likely wasn't going to get drafted? 

The whole story is ultra weird and we are lucky for having him here but what a weird background! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
t96 Grand Master

t96

Posted
Posted

It’s interesting, I was reading some draft profiles on him and it seemed pretty much everyone thought he has all the physical tools to be a great QB in the NFL and all the struggles were mental. Seems like he’s starting to put that all together which could absolutely mean he could be a franchise QB.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Varking Grand Master

Varking

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 minutes ago, t96 said:

It’s interesting, I was reading some draft profiles on him and it seemed pretty much everyone thought he has all the physical tools to be a great QB in the NFL and all the struggles were mental. Seems like he’s starting to put that all together which could absolutely mean he could be a franchise QB.

This is how I feel as well. He shined in bright moments. The High School Bowl game, beating an Auburn team that was on their way to a National Championship before he ruined it, beating out Murray,  winning a bowl game MVP... and he is just 23 years old now. We may have lucked out big time that he went undrafted and for some reason took an opportunity here vs one of the local teams closer to Texas/Arizona area. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Jeremy Igo Newbie

Jeremy Igo

Posted
Posted
17 minutes ago, t96 said:

It’s interesting, I was reading some draft profiles on him and it seemed pretty much everyone thought he has all the physical tools to be a great QB in the NFL and all the struggles were mental. Seems like he’s starting to put that all together which could absolutely mean he could be a franchise QB.

Yep. Different guys develop at different rates. Could just be a late bloomer which would explain everything we have seen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Carolina Cajun Grand Master

Carolina Cajun

Posted
Posted

Lets be clear, Kyle Allen made A LOT of money yesterday.  Now I don't know if it's starting money or not, but between that and the game in New Orleans last year, the guy will get a ton of shots to be rostered as a backup QB at the very least.  Think about how Lucrative Matt Flynn and Chase Daniels careers have been while mostly just holding a clipboard.  If he balls out more, he has the potential to make even more money with possible starter money, but right now I still view him as a very good backup (who I remember still being on his hype train in the preseason when everyone jumped off).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Carolina Cajun Grand Master

Carolina Cajun

Posted
Posted
10 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Yep. Different guys develop at different rates. Could just be a late bloomer which would explain everything we have seen.

I take it as maybe college wasn't for him in this aspect.  I've heard pros say when you're in college it's a big deal, but it's also not your "job", you still have other things going on, where as in pro it's your livelyhood and every work day you are immersed in it and not partially focused on bio or calculus.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
EgoDogg Proficient

EgoDogg

Posted
Posted
39 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Yep. Different guys develop at different rates. Could just be a late bloomer which would explain everything we have seen.

I know it's an Apples-to-Avacado comparison, but it looks like the same could be said about Joey Slye so far..

College Stats:
2014 - 71.4% FG Percentage
2015 - 76.7% FG Percentage
2016 - 71.4% FG Percentage
2017 - 68.2% FG Percentage

So far this season, it's a shock when it doesn't go right down the middle. Also the #1 Fantasy Kicker through 3 weeks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mage Grand Master

Mage

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Varking said:

https://247sports.com/Player/Kyle-Allen-19707/

How did he go from #1 High School Pro Style QB to undrafted? He set the Army Bowl record going 12 of 18 for 183 yards at the 2014 Army Bowl All American Game. He beat out two QBs at Texas A&M including Kyler Murray to win the job. Then decided with a few weeks left of his Sophomore campaign he was transferring to Houston where he lost his job after 3 games and decided to declare for the draft knowing he likely wasn't going to get drafted? 

The whole story is ultra weird and we are lucky for having him here but what a weird background! 

High school rankings are always shaky.  Quite frankly you can never be sure how a player will work out in college, especially at QB.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
electro's horse Grand Master

electro's horse

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Varking said:

https://247sports.com/Player/Kyle-Allen-19707/

How did he go from #1 High School Pro Style QB to undrafted? He set the Army Bowl record going 12 of 18 for 183 yards at the 2014 Army Bowl All American Game. He beat out two QBs at Texas A&M including Kyler Murray to win the job. Then decided with a few weeks left of his Sophomore campaign he was transferring to Houston where he lost his job after 3 games and decided to declare for the draft knowing he likely wasn't going to get drafted? 

The whole story is ultra weird and we are lucky for having him here but what a weird background! 

He has a very casual demeanor about him that a lot of football men don't like. It's a hold over from the old days of scouting where they want that Parcell's statue at QB; super serious, lives and breathes football, no nonsense, blah blah blah. 

Several QBs in the league have had to deal with this bullshit; Cutler being the most famous. Now of course Rosen is getting steam rolled out of the league for similar reasons. The NFL doesn't like players, especially at the QB position, who don't toe the "the nfl is the only thing I care about" line. 

That is of course changing. Obviously guys like Kingsbury and McVay don't give a poo, but they're part of a younger generation of coaches that's coming up. 

Kyle was unbelievably casual in demeanor out there yesterday. When his red zone pass got batted down, I noticed him laughing and holding up two fingers, saying he missed by "this much." That kind of behavior at the QB position rubs a lot of coaches the wrong way.

We all see this poo in the workplace. We all know people who fail to get the project/job/promotion because a boss doesn't like them or they act differently. The world of sports is no different.

I'd like to use this post to reiterate also that every other word out of Allen's mouth is an f bomb and I love it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • strato
      That's it. How do you feel about this draft class.

      By strato · Posted

      I was watching a YouTube and it was said that scout and GM insider types were saying the NIL had killed rounds 4-7. I don’t know that I buy it, seems like it might for a year or maybe two but then those guys have to move on.  NCAA is apparently about to give 5 years of eligibility. It is gonna skew those entrants older maybe.   
    • ForJimmy
      Panthers attempted to trade up with Ravens?

      By ForJimmy · Posted

      Miller being less raw and more pro ready makes sense of why they picked him. With us having a capable starter in Walker the lower floor higher ceiling player makes sense for us as well. I agree with that. 
    • tukafan21
      Panthers attempted to trade up with Ravens?

      By tukafan21 · Posted

      I'm from Michigan and have had this discussion with my Lions friends, and they all agree with me, they were never going to take Freeling over Miller.  As, yes, you are correct, they could have left Sewell at RT and taken Freeling, but they are in a SB contention window right now. An OL with Freeling at LT and Sewell at RT is not as strong as Sewell at LT and Miller at RT would be for this upcoming season and likely at least next year as well. 5 years it could be looked back upon as a long term "mistake" to take Miller over Freeling, but for a franchise like the Lions, you can't worry about the long term when you have current SB aspirations.  It's all about maximizing their current SB window over the next 1-3 years. And it's not about style, it's about day 1 readiness, and a lot of "experts" aren't even sure if Freeling is ready to play Week 1 yet at the position he's used to, let alone switching to a side he hasn't played before, but a career starting RT is going to be more than ready to fill that role for them Week 1. I'm 100% convinced that if our draft positioning was swapped, we'd have still taken Freeling, they'd have still taken Miller, and both teams would have got the OT that they preferred due to what each team needs right now and what their current realistic aspirations are for the 2026 season. We're in a position where we can let our drafted OT sit and learn for a bit, they needed a week 1 starter, for me that's where this discussion becomes very easy to understand why each team took the player they did.
×
×
  • Create New...