Norv on CMC: "We can't have him have a 37 touch load over time. Analytics guys saying throw it to him more."

[MechaZain]

"It's working and he hasn't been injured yet" is such a goofy mentality from a strategic standpoint. Cam diving headfirst into defenses also worked great, until it didn't.

[Khyber53]

11 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Decided to take a look at what the Giants were doing with Saquon who is probably the most similar to CMC as far as total offensive impact in their first 2 games(he got injured early in game 3 so throwing that out).

Week 1 - Saquon 54 snaps, 79%; Gallman 14 snaps, 21%

Week 2 - Saquon 60 snaps, 88%; Gallman 8 snaps, 12%

Can we seriously just not copy that? It doesn’t need to be 50/50 but just spell him a little bit.

Saquon injured, out for multiple weeks, our guy keeps motoring. It's just impossible to compare them or any two RBs because of all the variables between the players, the games and just the luck of the universe. 

The most sure fire way to get injured in football, though, is to play while trying to not get hurt.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Not true.

In 2017, CMC carried 117 times, JStew carried 198 times and Cam carried 139 times.  Pretty even.

Prior, yes, JStew tended to get a lot of touches compared to other backs, but you also have to consider that Cam is taking carries that otherwise a RB would have gotten.  Even in 2017, Cam taking 139 carries is probably too much.

But the bottom line here is that when you are talking about our offense since Cam has been here, Cam definitely takes carries away from your backs.  More specifically, Cam takes carries away from your BACKUP RB's.  Obviously, that hasn't been the case THIS year so far, but historically, that's what we've had.  Look no further than 2017 honestly.  Stew was the starter that year, CMC the backup at least early.  Wouldn't you have rather seen Cam give up 60 or so carries for CMC?

 

You are correct, I forgot they played together one year.  

Point is though we don't have a history of utilizing two backs.  Unless of course they are proven backs and then only under Shula.  So it stands to reason that Bonnafon and Scarlett aren't going to get any touches or a chance to prove themselves except in cases of injury.  

[Raleigh PF]

In 3-wide sets, the Panthers have Wright, Moore and Samuel, usually with CMC in the backfield. Why not have Scarlett or Bonnafin in the backfield with him? How many possibilities would that provide? With a defense keying on CMC, would love to see a screen to the oppo side with either Scarlett or Bonnafin. They'd likely have the entire field to themselves.

[OneBadCat]

I just don’t get why we aren’t using Scarlett. That  is a big man with speed who would be a great spell for CMC. Ron is playing scared with the backfield and it’s gonna exhaust McCaffrey.

[Castavar]

8 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I just don’t get why we aren’t using Scarlett. That  is a big man with speed who would be a great spell for CMC. Ron is playing scared with the backfield and it’s gonna exhaust McCaffrey.

It's Norv this time. Shula had no problem using his other backs. I guess Norv just believes in a one man workhorse. But yeah, as a head coach you gotta tell your OC to use his other backs.

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, Castavar said:

It's Norv this time. Shula had no problem using his other backs. I guess Norv just believes in a one man workhorse. But yeah, as a head coach you gotta tell your OC to use his other backs.

We only have this year and last year to go on with Norv history wise with this team. With Ron however we have a near full decade to go on. Rivera has a bit of a history with being too reliant on certain players or not giving other players reps. That and the fact that Norv was the only offensive coordinator we even interviewed at the time leads me to conclude that Ron unequivocally has a hand in this to some degree. Anyone who thinks otherwise might as well also believe in unicorns too.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

He caught 10 out of 10 of those passes, one of which was a circus catch for the ages. I'm not sure there's a WR in the league, much less another RB that can do that game in and game out. 

I'd love to see them be able to give him a few less touches a game at this point in the season, but the drop off in potential when you move to the next one is pretty amazing. Heck, if you took all of the other starting RBs in the league, the drop off between CMC and them would be pretty monumental. 

It's hard to know what the drop off is if the other RBs never get to play.

[Benotheking]

2 hours ago, BrianS said:

The lack of touches for other backs should probably tell us something about the confidence level our staff has in those other backs.  Norv did a great job of lightening the load on LaDainian when Sproles finally broke through.

What about when we had CJ Anderson ? A proven back that played well with the rams and played well we he got some carries. They just love using CM. They will ride him till the wheels fall off like Cam. 

[JawnyBlaze]

3 hours ago, TheRed said:

I get the Norv criticism obviously. But at what point do you ask what level of involvement Rivera has in all this? Why are we seeing the same distinct brand of stubbornness in use of personnel through three different offensive coordinators?

Fify 

[Darvinsun]

4 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

How many days ago did we complain that RR is an idiot because he doesn't rely on his stars more, and rotates lesser talented people in?

But anyways, when you have an extremely green QB, it makes sense to lean on your star RB a bit more than you normally would.  As Allen gets experience, CMC won't be as vital every down.

THats not true, we have more than one back or do we? How can back ups get better when they have no game time. We should not even drafted a Rb.

[Basbear]

2 hours ago, Raleigh PF said:

In 3-wide sets, the Panthers have Wright, Moore and Samuel, usually with CMC in the backfield. Why not have Scarlett or Bonnafin in the backfield with him? How many possibilities would that provide? With a defense keying on CMC, would love to see a screen to the oppo side with either Scarlett or Bonnafin. They'd likely have the entire field to themselves.

Dont waste your time, all of last season I could not understand why Norv continues to run CMC into the ground. Lastly Bonnafin has great hands too, but youd never see that except during PS. 

Hell going back a ways, I could not understand why Stew and Dwill did not get in on some 2 back sets. WHY didnt they RPO with one, then run the the option with the other on the same play? That play with 3 great RBs would give the defenses giant issues til they stop it.  Honestly you run that play the whole game and most Ds could not stop it. 

[johnnydefence]

If you have the best player on the field why would you not let him prove to the world he is that player? He’s not gonna be here forever, but while he’s here let’s make it count. He’s not the best player in the league because he thinks he is, or we think he is; he’s the best player because team spend the entire week trying to stop him and on Sunday they can not even so much is the pull his flag. CMC is greatness and we are lucky to get to watch this. 

[CPF4LIFE]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know if it's just the coincidence of having two extremely talented players in Cam and CMC, but Ron's staffs sure have seemed hell-bent on running the entire offense through one guy.

Its almost like they are.........INCOMPETENT.