Cam to see foot specialist

[top dawg]

Well...we're probably fuged. 

[GoobyPls]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Somebody asked Rivera about it directly at the time it came out. He said he couldn't confirm it.

There were other reports that came out not long after that saying that he was going to be out longer than expected.

Those reports were the ones that turned out to be true.

Yeah but nothing this drastic, who saw this coming after progress was being made?

[Sam Mills Fan]

40 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

you fool, a competitive professional football player saying "i'm good, i can play" isn't lying in the ethical sense you're clearly trying to push in your trash bag post and nor does it excuse a professional coaching staff for not managing a competitive player when this is what competitive players do. stop posting pleeeeeeease

I don't know what your deal is today boy, but I'm not blaming Cam for anything. I agree with you that Cam did nothing wrong. Try reading it again.

As for the team, let me ask you: what should Rivera have done differently with the foot? Cam wasn't limping except for a couple of plays vs. Tampa Bay, had told the coaches and team he was fine, and x-rays came back negative. So how could they have done something different? You just wanna complain because RiveraSucks (which he admittedly does, just not in this case.)

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Why are people blaming Rivera and the staff for this? 

Cam straight-up admitted in his YouTube video that he had lied to the team about the extent of the foot injury so he could keep playing. If the team x-rays him, it comes back negative, and Cam says he's good to go....how the hell are they supposed to know his foot is still a problem? This would be very tough for the Panthers medical staff to see coming, much less Ron freaking Rivera. 

I don't blame Cam for lying about it because I'm sure it's not the first time he's lied about his injuries so he could keep playing. It's just an unfortunate situation all around. I love blaming people to make people angry on here, you know that, but even *I* am having a hard time figuring out why someone on the Panthers should be blamed for this.

Why I put this on Ron and Marty. They spend a lot of time with these guys. They know their habits inside and out. Cam wasnt doing his pregame ritual. Ron should have seen that and known something was wrong.

Enter the Rams. Cam looked bad. it wasnt just rust, but we will call it that. TB. Every person watching that game knew Cam was injured, not just hurt. He couldnt hide it from the casual fan. Now since Ron and Marty are the "experts" because of their positions, it's not a stretch that they should have seen earlier what a casual fan could see clearly. Cam lied about his injury, and that was selfish, but regardless, they should have seen past it. We all have a built in BS detection, especially if you've had kids.

My opinion is they both ignored the truth in front of them. Ron risked the health of his player due to injury, not just being hurt, and the success of the season for the 3rd time. Marty has risked the franchise QB because he wouldnt overrule Ron knowing he has done this twice before. Both, I think have made inexcusable mistakes that cant be allowed again. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Don’t necessarily think it means it is fake news. It could have been progressing well and they thought he was on schedule to begin the process of returning but then it stopped short of getting all the way to 100%.

I'd have to go back and look, but I do remember thinking the tone of it was way out of step with everything else we were hearing at the time.

Heck, that's one of the reasons why people went apesh-t over it when it was posted here.

[Paa Langfart]

When my doctor thought I had a Lisfranc along with the Jones fracture she told me if you don't have surgery you are taking a very big chance that it will never heal up, always be painful and always be giving you trouble.  I wonder if Cam not opting for surgery back in September didn't bring us to this place.  I was very skeptical when I heard it was a  4-8 weeks to heal on its own injury.

[joemac]

1 minute ago, Paa Langfart said:

When my doctor thought I had a Lisfranc along with the Jones fracture she told me if you don't have surgery you are taking a very big chance that it will never heal up, always be painful and always be giving you trouble.  I wonder if Cam not opting for surgery back in September didn't bring us to this place.  I was very skeptical when I heard it was a  4-8 weeks to heal on its own injury.

I think the big distinction here is that Cam never had any broken bones in his foot to go along with the Lisfranc injury.  His was a sprain, and supposedly, not a very serious one at that.  As usual, we have probably been fed a line of bullshit.

[Eric4280]

I’ve no idea how we resign him. I mean that in a neutral way, not negative. What is he gonna look for and what are we gonna offer? This is gonna turn out to be one of the weirder negotiations. I think we should be looking at this deep qb class too. Finishing 8-8,7-9 probably gets us one of the guys that falls.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, joemac said:

I think the big distinction here is that Cam never had any broken bones in his foot to go along with the Lisfranc injury.  His was a sprain, and supposedly, not a very serious one at that.  As usual, we have probably been fed a line of bullshit.

I'm a frequent believer that the coaching staff is full of sh-t, but I don't really know that this particular case was a line of bullsh-t.

I'm more inclined to believe that it's just a really complicated injury to deal with and they were hoping for the best.

The fact that he's now seeing a third set of medical people, with the second set having been his own personal doctors in Atlanta, makes me think this just isn't turning out the way anybody wanted it to.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Eric4280 said:

I’ve no idea how we resign him. I mean that in a neutral way, not negative. What is he gonna look for and what are we gonna offer? This is gonna turn out to be one of the weirder negotiations. I think we should be looking at this deep qb class too. Finishing 8-8,7-9 probably gets us one of the guys that falls.

I've said before that I always try to look at these things as if I were watching it happen to another team.

From that perspective, whether or not he's going to be back is a valid question.

I'd add his choosing to retire the way Andrew Luck did is also a genuine possibility.

[NAS]

I think we let Cam play out the last year of the contract to prove he's healthy and still a starter to build around.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, NAS said:

I think we let Cam play out the last year of the contract to prove he's healthy and still a starter to build around.  

That's not a great option if you're Ron or Marty.

And if we're starting over next year with new leadership, they'll have no ties to Newton.

Either way, you're talking about committing 20 million dollars worth of salary cap to "see if someone can play". That's a tough sell.

[ellis]

 

[Mr. Scot]

"Nobody really knows the timetable" is not exactly an encouraging statement.