The Patriot Way or The Steeler Way?

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Zithers2 said:

Not really interested in poaching from New England. Brian Daboll, Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel, Matt Patricia, and Josh McDaniels all flopped. Bill O'Brien is doing okay. If we aren't getting Bill Belichick it doesn't really matter.

Getting Kevin Colbert to leave Pittsburgh is a pipe dream. There's just no way that happens unless we offer him an obscene amount of money. Maybe we could get someone who works underneath him like Brandon Hunt, who was apparently in love with Antonio Brown and was largely responsible for him being drafted. He also pushed for the Minkah trade this year. Not bad imo.

Colbert declined the last extension the Steelers offered him, and numerous sources believe Tepper is indeed ready to throw a lot of money at him to lure him to the Carolinas (where he actually already owns a home).

Pittsburgh is rumored to have designated Brandon Hunt as his successor, a fact which might not sit so well with Omar Khan if true.

[Zithers2]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Colbert declined the last extension the Steelers offered him, and numerous sources believe Tepper is indeed ready to throw a lot of money at him to lure him to the Carolinas (where he actually already owns a home).

Pittsburgh is rumored to have designated Brandon Hunt as his successor, a fact which might not sit so well with Omar Khan if true.

It's my understanding that Colbert/Pittsburgh have a year-to-year agreement and that he's the man as long as he wants to be. A Steelers fan I know said he's reportedly expected to align his retirement with Ben's.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Zithers2 said:

It's my understanding that Colbert/Pittsburgh have a year-to-year agreement and that he's the man as long as he wants to be. A Steelers fan I know said he's reportedly expected to align his retirement with Ben's.

Yeah, a lot of Pittsburgh fans are saying stuff like that.  But it's"year to year" specifically because he refused their last extension offer.

Don't know what ultimately happens there but given that people like Ed Bouchette take the possibility pretty seriously, anybody who's thinking there's no chance of Colbert moving on might want to reconsider.

[Mr. Scot]

Side note on "choosing your way".

Turns out that way back when, Kevin Colbert was actually an up and coming executive with the Detroit Lions. When their GM job came open, he was considered a potential candidate.

Lions owner William Clay Ford chose instead to go with a TV personality who Ford believed really knew what he was talking about after listening to his in-game commentary.

Yep. The Lions could have had Kevin Colbert, but Ford chose Matt Millen instead.

 

 

To be a Lions fan...

[MHS831]

Steeler way.  They are more about family and community.  Their dynasty in the NFL spans more than one QB and coach.  Their fans are rabid, loyal, and support them regardless of weather, record, or opponent.   In New England, the Red Sox are the biggest ticket.

[Ricky Spanish]

Yes

[TN05]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Just to be clear, a mix of the two is possible.

You could, for example, get Josh McDaniels as a head coach but Nick Caserio could decide to join the Texans like he was ready to a year ago.

For the sake of argument though, I'm asking to you choose just one.

Or you can not hire Josh McDaniels and save two wasted seasons before he gets fired for being awful.

[uncfan888]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

NFL insiders have posted stories about David Tepper and the Panthers being interested in executives from both the Patriots and the Steelers.

So which do they really want?

In my opinion, probably both. You're not guaranteed to be able to get either, so why not hedge your bets and keep your options open?

(optionality; that's a David Tepper thing, right?)

But if the choice were up to you, who would you want them to go after?

To cheat or not to cheat... 

[Pimpdaddy]

9 hours ago, t96 said:

Also for the sake of argument regarding poaching FO/coaching from either of these teams, the Pats’ castoffs track records are absolutely terrible. Wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole if I was making the decisions. Belichick, while a scumbag cheater, is the greatest football mind out there. He’s the backbone behind their success. Doesn’t hurt having a solid above average QB who fits the system there healthy for 20 years too, but Belichick is their success. No one else can or will replicate that elsewhere. 

Yep...their draft history isnt that great... i dont think you can poach off of two great teams and have great success... many others tried that with limited success i believe. . Belichick and Brady made that franchise... 

[Waldo]

I'm not sure you can duplicate the Patriots way because it's foundation is Belichick and every time they try to duplicate that it ends in failure. It apears to be the exception in many ways.

I think the Steelers model is a better route to go. Easier to emulate and maintain. Hire competent people and retain them.

 

[panthers55]

I hope we can take the benefits from their systems and ultimately create the Panther way. In that scenario it doesn't really matter which one they choose for GM/assistant GM.  For coach however it surely does matter. Not a big McDaniels fan but I will support whoever they pick. Don't really have another choice. 

[Captain Obvious]

The Bengal way is what it will be eventually.

 

 

[Sgt Schultz]

A few things about the Pats' model.  First, we have seen it with one and only one HC.  Second, we have seen it with one and only one quarterback, save 2008 when Brady was out with an injury.  Third, it does not appear to be transportable, as the coaches that have moved on from it have done poorly.  Fourth, they have not been out of this world in drafting.  The model appears to center around Belichick, or Brady, or the combination of the two.  That would make it next to impossible to duplicate, even for them.  So I don't know that it is a Pats' model or a Belichick (or Belichick/Brady) model.  I tend to give Belichick more credit for it than Brady, but the data to make that differentiation is rather slim.

The Steeler model has survived coaching changes (although infrequent) and quarterback changes (although none recently).  As to the latter, they are winning and in the playoff hunt playing their third-string QB this year.  To me, it has stood the test of time because of those things.  They have had pretty consistent success for 45 years now.  Before 1974, not so much.

I won't even get into the obsession with video taping.

 

[Snake]

I honestly would rather have Colbert and Kahn and McDaniels as coach. Surrounded with young talent he could go far.